On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:15:35 +0200 Volker Greimann <vgreimann@key-systems.net> wrote: Hi Volker :)
It seems there is a definition issue here. I am sure Twitter does not intentionally spam its users, but many users that receive messages from Twitter think of these as spam.
Not to be pedantic, but as Twitter is aware of their abuse and does not do anything to stop it - Twitter does intentionally spam and enable criminals. The emails are sent from Twitter infrastructure, so therefore = Twitter. As Twitter ignores and refuses abuse reports, this indicates non willingness to cease abuse, investigate abuse and stop enabling criminals. And Twitter abuse is ongoing... They are multiple repeat offenders that are 'special' spammers.
What is probably true:
- Real spammers may be abusing the infrastructure offered by Twitter to spam and Twitter is unable/unwilling to take action to stop this
Twitter are 'real' spammers :) and yes, their infrastructure enables many other nefarious creatures.
- Twitter account holders have their settings set up that they receive too many notifications that they do not really want. Solving the second is easy: Just change your notification settings.
none of the thousands of abuse I see are from any real people... so, non relevant, in my case :) personally I do have a Twitter account and have nothing personal against or for Twitter. I have no agenda or anything other than to simply state that there are multinationals that are evil and to point out that playing fields are not level...
Volker
PS: It may be helpful to say exactly which messages you consider spam instead of opening up with the big guns right away but without sufficient detail to verify your claims.
Emails to trusted spamtraps - are spam Emails to stolen data - is criminal activity & also spam Emails to non existent people at non existent email addresses - is spam/abuse Emails continuing after requests to stop - is spam/abuse Forever 'confirmation emails' (as in more than 10) - is spam/abuse Andre
Am 19.06.2017 um 17:08 schrieb ox:
If I do actually look at the abuse lists that list the spammer, Twitter - they are sorbs, etc and have a reputation for ethical behavior..
What is interesting is how you & michele defend the spammer
One has to wonder whether it is because the fact that Twitter is an evil spammer hurts you guys personally?
Or if you are products (have twitter etc) accounts and the truth hurts?
If you love the Twitter spammer that much, why do you not try to get the spammer to change their evil ways? Instead of trying to make it about a quarter of all the rbl's being useless, etc.
or just plain stupid and obviously false claims that Twitter never sends spam.
Andre
On Mon, 19 Jun 2017 14:53:07 +0000 Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19/06/17, 8:20 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of andre@ox.co.za> wrote:
And, apart from the fact that 25% of all spam lists does in fact list Twitter as a spammer
Sturgeon’s law manifests itself all the time. eg: the number of weird and wonderful blocklists used by maybe two men and their dog, the population of cranks on the Internet…
--srs