On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:40:02 +0000 "Sascha Luck [ml]" <aawg@c4inet.net> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 01:05:19PM +0000, Brian Nisbet wrote:
This morning Tobias and I asked the NCC to take the very unusual step, effectively immediately, of removing the person behind svenk@xs4all.nl from the Anti-Abuse WG mailing list. This was not done lightly, rather it was done to safeguard this community. Safeguard it from what? Non-approved opinions? Please note that, as a notional member of said community, I was not asked whether I wanted to be "safeguarded". Thank you, Daddy, for looking out for my well-being but I'm old enough to look after that myself...
speak for yourself! I am still young and beautiful :)
It is not a place to insult, to decry, to repeatedly state the same point over and over While I agree, there are some others guilty of that, viz. the repeated accusation that ISPs (and the RIPE NCC) are criminals (or at least in league with such) etc. Seemingly, they have yet to be banned from this list. or to discriminate against other members of the community based on their race, creed, gender or sexual preferences. A quick browse (and thanks for making me have to do that)through the relevant contributions has not thrown up any obvious evidence of any such statements. If you have any that I might have missed, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, I think, an apology for what certainly reads like a gratuitious accusation is more than appropriate. If we cannot maintain a list upon which reasonable discussion can take place, then it leaves our community in a weakened state. Agreed. So, if censorship be it, please remove all the other trolls, including their sockpuppets, from this list. I suspect it will be a very quiet one after that and perhaps deservedly so. If nobody is to be allowed to ridicule or criticise the "other" side - and the contributor has a valid point, however annoyingly presented, it is not a "community" but a "cult". Kind Regards, Sascha Luck
mostly +1 buuut... well... i like being on a list with the ilk of Gert & Suresh & the dudes with seriosu abuse skillz :) - even if we are to be a cult :) please tell me about the alleged sockpuppet(s) - seriously (no trolling) i have sneaky suspicions, but, well, nothing concrete... For the rest, I am filled with FUD and each character typed results in an adjustment of tinfoil... - wondering what I am guilty of (cause I am always guilty of something - even if only of being ignorant of my own ignorance :) ) beFUDded ooh, if we are a cult, please do not kick me out... i have always wanted to be in a cult! - so are we a cult or no? Andre