Now, I am replying to myself, and doing so, for the purposes of an abuse complaint notification. How this works: 1. I do understand that many of the multiple replies I am receiving from the abusive person, is not on the emailing list itself. 2. The reason I am posting this on the emailing list is for the purpose of discussing that the correct reason for 'blocking" / unsubscribing anyone - has nothing to do with censorship. It is only simple abuse. So, if we are to have any discussions, it should be about https://www.google.com/search?q=netiquette MAILING LIST ABUSE! and not, "WG Chair Mailing List Decision" 3. I am also doing this so that the sender understands clearly that his or her emials to me, off list, are UNSOLICITED and will now be reported to SpamCop and many other RBL's as SPAM I think this is my $1 :) Andre On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 07:49:52 +0200 ox <andre@ox.co.za> wrote:
On any mailing list it is not acceptable to reply to yourself. https://www.google.com/search?q=netiquette
Multiple times, doing that same unacceptable thing: Is abuse. (and abusive behavior)
No opinion, simple fact.
This being an abuse discussion list - it is an abuse of an abuse emailing list :)
Where the abuser is replying to him/her self multiple times and also proposing that email and smtp is no longer used/in use
Now, that is funny!
On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 05:21:18 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:
basically, in your logic, all the mpaa has to do is to call the piratebay spammers, and people should start pulling plugs. lol. it's funny how your silly old protocol would have such a 'special status'.
see the normal procedure for pulling plugs is : go to some applicable court and prove they break some applicable law, also don't forget that your problem is with the end-user and their activity, not the isp.
no 'dnsbl's involved in that process anywhere.
ofcourse, should people do such things to protect against 'spam' they also should protect the population of thailand against porn, and protect china against falun gong, and protect the islamic state against 'jews and cursader' propaganda. which would mean that on the larger picture; there would not be much content left. oh wait i forgot to ban the nazis for the communists and the communists for the nazis and i didn't even mention to ban everything containing pictures of, or advertising dead animals as food for the vegans.
when we're done with all that, there won't be much internet left.
sooooo... basically, just fix your protocol. as all that anti-spam shit you came up with so far just sums up as : illegal violations of net neutrality laws, as well as violating the provider immunity of carriers and isps through blackmail and extortion. (yes breach of contracts = financial impact = extortion, more so than robbing a grandma for $10, as it's usually more like $100k/yr or more + manhours)
also everything 'ip based' you came up with over the past decades, just fucked up the reliability and speed of smtp and made the entire userbase switch to skype and facebook. i'm sure mickeysoft and suckerberg thank you for that. lol.
should you need some consultancy on how to re-design smtp, my hourly tariff starts at EUR 2500.-/hr. quite sure you can find someone cheaper by outsourcing it... i just give you advise for free because YOU LOT ARE A PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS with your constant nagging about what-goes-on-within a CONCEPT protocol from the 1960s.
On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:07, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
btw congratutions to all of you that tried to censor me for showing such a complete lack of understanding of the antigue (And very simple, compared to habbo or skype) protocol you are trying to 'protect' that you clearly can't even figure out how to stop someone from receiving mailman (an open source project, and one of the most simpler programs out there, working on one of the most simplest protocols ever) messages... nice try tho.
makes clear why in 40 years you never managed to get something as simple as a friends list in your protocol of choice. you clearly can't even configure some open source software to your wishes.
the incompetence is showing through on all levels.
may we remind you that you're talking to the guy that made angela merkel's email route over north korea. tyvm. (my guess is that is why the occupational forces of former germany are kinda pissed off with me but so be it ;) lol.
On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
also, spam is not an actual 'problem'... unless you also block tv stations that have advertisements...
which is about, all of them, if the bbc does not have such in such a direct way, they hide their propaganda as 'news' but it's still there.
On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:01, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
whereas spamhaus and co keep claiming to 'fight spam' the statistics on their listing speak books...
it's more like 'fighting the sale of trademark infringing goods as by the definitions of the uk'
'fighting the spread of spied-upon military and diplomatic secrets of the uk and it's allies' etc.
all of that while pretending it's spam or 'spam supporters'. that wikileaks listing was not an accident but a regular occurence in the statistics (yes spamhaus, we can scrape and datamine too ;)
On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:59, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
now why the crap would someone try to 'circumvent' tons of mechanisms etc and hire servers at companies that 'don't ask questions' but DO send appropriate invoices (by lack of much competion -with balls- ;)... when they can just buy google adwords for far less, which does get around a 1:1000 SIGNUP rate... (never mind the clickthrough rate ;)...
or for the same price, just get targetted tv advertisements, really, the only people i see that would still in their right mind send out smtp spam, are the people pretending to 'fight' it as an excuse to keep their political trade policy censorship tool supported by the naive nerds.
On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:56, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > btw notice that i can safely say such things, as none of our > clients are 'spammers'... for the simple reason; the fictional > guy that would make millions on 'spamming' is a myth kept > alive by self-declared 'non profit anti-spam organisations' > that de-facto are just political cyber sabotage groups to get > content and even entire providers abroad shut down by naive > nerds without court orders... by just shouting 'spam' alot, > and therefore, also the most likely suspect to be sending out > that spam, as real life advertisers, would consider the very > low clickthrough rate of smtp (as seriously, it's really just > you guys still using it, the rest of the world takes a fresh > prepaid sim and creates a new gmail account every time a > signup is needed on some silly website that won't take sms > messages directly ;) - and at that, signups, and ripe, are > the only remaing legitimate use of smtp. nobody in the world > still uses that for actual communications.... getting a > reaction from let's say the german government or the belgium > toll road company over smtp takes... 3-4 months... by fax > machine both take less than 1 day. (in as far as we don't > just have people there in skype ;) > > > > > On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:50, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > wrote: >> spam... was stopped... a looong time ago... as in, i have >> not seen any (persistent) spam that lasted longer than... on >> second thought... 'delete contact' on any other protocol ;) >> the only place where it continues to exist, is YOUR protocol. >> so the way to stop it is to do the same. hire some developers >> and adjust the RFC and software of smtp to get a friends list >> and 'contact requests'. it fixes things. >> >> YOUR approach however is more like the 'prohibition' in the >> usa of the 1920s. it never stopped anyone from getting drunk, >> it did however facilitate al-capone. >> >> >> >> which is the thing that should have stopped to exist in 2017. >> >> (probably it already should have stopped to exist in 1993 ;) >> >> >> >> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:02, ox wrote: >>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:22:55 +0000 >>> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> >>> wrote: >>>> as for droning on... so far, this mailinglist, for the >>>> past month or >>>> so has been: >>>> >>>> spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam >>>> >>>> and 1 mail: law enforcement requests to the ripe ncc (a >>>> total of 4 in >>>> 2016) - no replies whatsoever to that one. >>>> >>>> then more: spam spam spam spam spam. >>>> >>>> funny... >>>> >>> Actually no. Spam is a problem of many decades. It is a >>> higher level >>> service and SHOULD NOT EXIST in 2017. >>> >>> The simple and salient truth is: If spam abuse is stopped >>> then everything else falls into place. >>> >>> If you cannot route/deliver/accept email - Even if you are >>> a Tier 1 or Google.com >>> >>> You are screwed. >>> >>> Of course, other abuse issues, as below my name, are just >>> as important >>> and are also frequently discussed... >>> >>> my 2c >>> >>> Andre >>> >>> >>>> cuz we thought it should be more like 'ddos ddos ddos' >>>> 'hijacked prefix' 'ddos' 'mass hack' 'ddos' 'someone >>>> switched off the electricity' 'someone cut some >>>> fibers'...'spamhaus illegally scraped >>>> the ripe db for memberdata to blackmail them with on their >>>> criminal >>>> slander site' 'the americans illegally 'seized' 20000 >>>> domains that are not even in their territory and it's time >>>> to move icann out of the usa for that reason' -that's >>>> network abuse- spam is not. (and the >>>> latter only if we consider ripe and it's db a part of the >>>> network itself) >>>> >>>> >> >