Post hoc ergo propter hoc --srs
On 14-Apr-2016, at 8:38 PM, andre@ox.co.za wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:24:11 +0530 Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't work for gmail fyi (as a quick google search will tell you, or a Bing if you hate google so much) and I don't use sorbs either, not since the late 2000s anyway.
Without seeing a smtp txn with logging all the way up or a tcpdump I am not sure what is going on but a read error probably means you're dropping the smtp connection right after the 5xx without giving gmail the time to gracefully QUIT the smtp session. Or vice versa
No.
This is a gmail bounce to a gmail customer (for example my own gmail account)
nothing to do with @ox.co.za - except that @ox.co.za sends: JunkMail rejected - is in an RBL, see Client host blocked using Barracuda Reputation, see http://www.barracudanetworks.com/reputation/?r=1 etc etc.
so, when Gmail cannot deliver to @ox.co.za - because of dnsbl (whether it is SORBS, SpamCop, SpamID.net or whomever, Gmail does not tell the customer that the mail is being returned because just a minute earlier google tried to drop 1000 phish on ox.co.za - instead tells the customer: "read error" technical failure -- it is not a technical failure at all! - it is simply that google is sp[amming (or being used by their users to distribute spyware/phish or whatever) and it is NOT A technical read error at all!
--srs
On 14-Apr-2016, at 8:05 PM, andre@ox.co.za wrote:
On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:27 +0530 Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
This isn't quite mailop but anyway - what specifically do you mean by replace here? Yes, but is is an abuse wok group - it is important that the group also discusses abuse, more so if their is abusive behavior from a huge multinational.
Do you strip mime parts that you consider spam or malware and replace them with a suitable message? And is the gmail mta not reacting well to that?
Examples would be interesting - certainly much more interesting than a vague rant. Not a vague rant at all - the original post already contains the information. Gmail is behaving poorly/abusively.
maybe you require me to add additional information? - as there is ZERO chance that you do not know what I am complaining about...
I do wonder why you are not simply replying honestly and openly?
... Gmail customer sends email from Gmail to @ox.co.za
ox.co.za responds: Listed at SORBS Currently sending SPAM!
Gmail sends "improved" bounce report to Gmail customer:
example:
Date: 14 April 2016 at 14:09:39 SAST To: customer@gmail.com
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
andre@ox.co.za
Technical details of permanent failure: read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
----- Original message -----
--srs
andre
On 14-Apr-2016, at 7:17 PM, andre@ox.co.za wrote:
Hello,
Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com customers saying:
Technical details of permanent failure: read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error
What this means is:
Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams / phish / virus / spyware messages from the various filters
and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that the receivers email server is broken in some way....
This is truly EVIL of Google to do...
As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM!
Example: @209.85.218.43
http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816
Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC technical failure messages...
Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to care??
Yes, of course!
Andre