473 billion spam PER DAY in last Month. 172 trillions per year.
Mamma mia! It's a lot, but a lot of money! It is clear, clear as crystal,
because some ISPs refuse to cancel the contract even knowing that his customer
is a felon with convictions in court, proven swindler, known scammer... And
several times retaliate because they do not support complaints.
Could anyone tell me what the revenue is for hosting and sending 172
trillions of spam per year? Do not be shy, nobody will call you greedy.
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Ok folks...
The RBL Policy discussion is
interesting, but we've gone wildly off
track and it has become focused,
unfortunately, on one provider.
I'm not going to tell anyone what to
think of Spamhaus, but this
conversation is not the right place to go on
specifically about them. I
think the relevant opinions have been aired and
nobody is going to be
convinced one way or the other.
If there is more
discussion of general RBL Policy and whether bans
should be
longer/shorter/whatever or the other points Andre raised, great.
If you
aren't talking about this, please don't post it here. There are
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Yesterday, Andre wrote:
> In 2015, the number
of emails sent and received per day total over 205 billion...
Andre is
underestimating the size of the problem and Olaf, the prince of spam, the
demolisher, the man who almost broke the internet, pretends to be
unaware:
During 2010, about 107 trillion emails were sent around the
world. Of that total, 89.1% were spam - this corresponds to an average of 262
billion unwanted messages per day, according to data from Royal Pingdom
consultancy, which monitors web traffic.
293 billion emails being 262
billion spam, in 2010.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:19:32 +0000
From: HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl>
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject:
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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as for smtp being alive.. out of
4 billion ips some 200k run an smtp
server... still a lot more than ftp
(including badly configured printers
and security cameras).. but considering
it's a protocol that was
supposed to run on each and every workstation. it's
dead.
facebook has more users per second than smtp has mails per year.
lol.
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 01:13, ox wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2017
13:01:46 +0000
> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
<svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>> no not all dnsbls are a problem. none
of the other ones block
>> non-directly related prefixes as a means of
extortion into complete
>> breach of contract. there are some 110 of
them last time we checked.
>> we only were on the 2 operated by
spamhaus. :P
>> so by far... pretty much all dnsbl's list the ips that
originate the
>> 'undesired' traffic, which stops it from
>>
reaching those that use their service, and that's where it ends for
>>
them... that's perfectly acceptable.
>> (as long as it's the actual end
user making the decision to use their
>> 'filtering' or
not)
>>
> Okay, got it, thank you for that
>
>>
howeverrrrr... then there is spamhaus...
>>
> yeah, but it will
show good manners if you make a new thread about
>
that?
>
>> as for the ripe mailinglist being smtp...
yes. it unfortunately still
>> is.. and it's about the ONLY thing that
still needs smtp, next to
>> signing up to habbo hotel. lol. i haven't
started the mail client for
>> anything else in years. lol. face it:
smtp is dead, the reason it is
>> dead: is spamhaus itself. making it
unreliable. mainly.
>>
> we will have to agree to disagree (or
not agree - with the same
> result :) )
>
> smtp - 2017 my pov
(and own stats) There has never been so much legit
> traffic sent
ever...
>
> Easy to check though as everyone on here has their own
stats and to
> quickly analize 25 vs say 80 (wow - and 443 is just as
crazy in terms of
> growth as 25!) in 2015 as compared to 2016 -
smtp is alive and kicking
> (so is 443!)
>
>
Andre
>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 15:37:32 +0200
From: ox
<andre@ox.co.za>
To: HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
<svenk@xs4all.nl>
Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re:
[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:19:32 +0000
HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> as for
smtp being alive.. out of 4 billion ips some 200k run an smtp
> server...
still a lot more than ftp (including badly configured
> printers and
security cameras).. but considering it's a protocol that
> was supposed to
run on each and every workstation. it's dead.
>
> facebook has more
users per second than smtp has mails per year. lol.
>
https://zephoria.com/top-15-valuable-facebook-statistics/
statistics,
facts (after they happened) are so crazy, lol
In 2015, the number of
emails sent and received per day total over 205
billion...
in 2016
email/smtp = +8% lol
and 2017 - looks to be even more hectic. -
smtp maybe closer to 300
billion (per day) or 109 Trillion emails per
year...lol
by 2020 we may be at 1000 trillion emails...
how many
users does facebook have per day. lol
>
> On 30 ???, 2017 ?
01:13, ox wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:01:46 +0000
> >
HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> no not all dnsbls are a problem. none of the other ones block
>
>> non-directly related prefixes as a means of extortion into
complete
> >> breach of contract. there are some 110 of them last
time we
> >> checked. we only were on the 2 operated by spamhaus.
:P
> >> so by far... pretty much all dnsbl's list the ips that
originate
> >> the 'undesired' traffic, which stops it from
>
>> reaching those that use their service, and that's where it ends
for
> >> them... that's perfectly acceptable.
> >> (as
long as it's the actual end user making the decision to use
> >>
their 'filtering' or not)
> >>
> > Okay, got it, thank you
for that
> >
> >> howeverrrrr... then there is
spamhaus...
> >>
> > yeah, but it will show good manners if
you make a new thread about
> > that?
> >
>
>> as for the ripe mailinglist being smtp... yes. it unfortunately
>
>> still is.. and it's about the ONLY thing that still needs smtp,
>
>> next to signing up to habbo hotel. lol. i haven't started the
mail
> >> client for anything else in years. lol. face it: smtp is
dead, the
> >> reason it is dead: is spamhaus itself. making it
unreliable.
> >> mainly.
> >>
> > we will have
to agree to disagree (or not agree - with the same
> > result :)
)
> >
> > smtp - 2017 my pov (and own stats) There has never
been so much
> > legit traffic sent ever...
> >
> >
Easy to check though as everyone on here has their own stats and to
> >
quickly analize 25 vs say 80 (wow - and 443 is just as crazy in
> >
terms of growth as 25!) in 2015 as compared to 2016 - smtp is
> >
alive and kicking (so is 443!)
> >
> > Andre
>
>
>
>
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Date:
Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:36:48 +0200
From: ox <andre@ox.co.za>
To:
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Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL
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On Mon, 30 Jan 2017 14:25:01 +0000
HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> although
i can't see how you managed to obtain statistics on the
> number of emails
being sent each day... unless spamhaus would like to
> admit that they
also spy on dns requests to their dnsbl... which
<snip>
Okay, we
can just agree to disagree - or simply just disagree is also good.
lol
May I please solicit some comments about Abuse Block
lists
(Without detracting from RFC 5782 and RFC 6471 or
:
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-409 )
Considering that
DNSBL tech is "MOSTLY" "reactive" (after he abuse)
- although - there are -
some - DNSBL (apparently Spamhaus? etc etc)
that apparently block before
anything happens (thank you for pointing
this out Simon)
The block
time policies of RBLs - Not specifically anyone blocklist in
particular -
just the general policies)
***********************************
Among
the reactive and pre emptive DNSBL, there are two main types of
block lists:
No automatic removal and automatic removal
Is the policy to auto de-list
after a period of time, still accurate?
or should block lists not auto de
list at all any longer?
If still auto de-list - Considering the change in
abuse patterns and technology, should the
block times be increased or
de-creased?
Then; Ignoring pre-emptive - predictive (in advance for no
reason) blocking:
Does society require more specialist non auto de-list
DNSBLs?
(Would it be helpful to civil society, law enforcement etc to have
a
"child pornography" dnsbl? or a phish dnsbl? - or is the reactive
time
to high in order for dynamic ipv4? - but on ipv6 allocations to
devices
could be more 'permanent'?
etc)
Andre
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 13:21:54 +0000
From: HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl>
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject:
Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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smtp is just one of many
protocols out there, a primitive, fairly
unimportant and severely lacking in
terms of security one at that, and
it's protection cannot be a reason for
any disconnection -ever-.
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 01:17, HRH Prince Sven
Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>
> and now it's time for everyone here,
to stop giving stevieboy his way
> with his absurd definitions of
'abuse'... if there is no law against
> it in the country in which the
customer recides. its no reason for
> disconnection. doing so is not
delivering a paid service, caving into
> blackmail, and undermining
provider immunity by caving in to any
> random idiot that just so happens
to have gained influence over mail
> delivery, and frequently
abuses said (advertised) influence to commit
> computer sabotage (he
knows what the impacts of his listings are, he
> advertises with it), to
extort the internet industry into wasting
> valuable manhours on him and
his self-declared 'delisting procedure',
> and breach valuable
contracts.
>
> if he mentions any ip address (or worse: personal
details) in his
> crappy slander and blackmail system he calls 'spamhaus'
just call the
> feds on him. the guardia civil for example as he
currently is in spain.
>
> viola 13
>
> puerta d'
andratx.
>
> under no circumstance should 'spamhaus' be allowed to
dictate which
> customers to serve and which not. simple as
that.
>
>
> now act PROFESSIONAL and stop giving this idiot
his way just because
> he mentions 'spam'. as if 'spam'
>
>
is the worst thing that ever happened to the internet... how about him
>
trying to get entire isps disconnected. who gives a shit about him and
>
his 'spam'.
>
>
>
>
> On 30 ???, 2017 ? 01:09, HRH
Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
>>
>> one would almost
go and set up a few 1000 smtp servers, all sending
>> steve linford
viagra offers, just to annoy the guy back. operational
>> costs would
go through the roof tho lol.
>>
>>
>> On 30 ???, 2017
? 01:04, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
wrote:
>>>
>>> btw. this is europe. not america. we can
say fuck however many times
>>> we want over here. tyvm. and in the
case of spamhaus, it's fully
>>> applicable. spamhaus IS a cancer.
that was using this mailinglist
>>> just a few hours ago to try to
further the reach of their cancerous
>>> censorship tool disguised
as a 'spam fighter'
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 ???,
2017 ? 01:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> if the fully appropriate language
used is the only thing you can
>>>> think of as an argument,
that shows it's completely right. lol.
>>>> you're free to
google 'cb3rob' and see what steve linford told the
>>>> 'world
press' about our operations in the past. so far for
>>>>
inappropriate
language.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:58, Tobias Knecht wrote:
>>>>>
Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> @Sven
Olaf:
>>>>> Please stop using this type of offensive
language!
>>>>> This is a public mailinglist and not a place
for you to rant and
>>>>> attack in the way you are at the
moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> So step back for a
minute, take a deep breath and calm
down!
>>>>>
>>>>> And if you feel you can
send a message without using this type of
>>>>> language,
feel free to do so, otherwise stay
away!
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions,
feel free to reach out to me
directly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>
Tobias
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ?RIPE Anti Abuse Working Group
Co-Chair
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:46
PM, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
>>>>> CyberBunker
<svenk@xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl>>
wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
btw it would be of great assistance in this matter if
transit
>>>>> carriers, simply, only
HAD asn's and no ip prefixes that
can
>>>>> be used as a blackmailing
vector. don't quite see why
everyone
>>>>> combines the 'isp' part
with the 'transit providing' part
of
>>>>> their operations. parties
that provide transit, have no
need
>>>>> for ip space (bgp sessions
are better on 10.0.0.0/8
>>>>>
<http://10.0.0.0/8> anyway, prevents attack from
'outside').
>>>>> if there are no ip's
there is nothing idiots like spamhaus
(so
>>>>> far they are the only ones)
can 'blacklist' to 'build up
>>>>>
pressure' to breach contracts. so just split up those
operations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:32, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker
>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did
they
>>>>>> arrive? -> yes. we
did our job. no -> we did not do our
job.
>>>>>> i can't quite see why
we would even need to know what
'smtp'
>>>>>> is. nor any of the
other obscure shit protocols out
there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von
CyberBunker
>>>>>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
content. is NEVER.
network-related-abuse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other
way
>>>>>>> is used as intended'
is also not 'network-related-abuse'
in
>>>>>>> fact it's not abuse
at all. it's like tv
advertisements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same
old
>>>>>>> services 'provided'
by crappy windows malware, which
should
>>>>>>> get some import
restrictions, and the problem is solved
ay.
>>>>>>> it's windows itself
that is the malware
there...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login
procedure
>>>>>>> sucks balls
and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and
3
>>>>>>> top secret ones on the
back of a plastic card people show
in
>>>>>>> every restaurant they
go to are 'security' - go fix your
own
>>>>>>> crap and stop
bothering us, we forward -packets-. we
don't
>>>>>>> have time to hunt
ghosts for your broken financial
services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
'announcing the whole god damn internet split up
into
>>>>>>> /24s'.. - yes ..
that's 'abuse'.
lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone
else
>>>>>>> is doing they can
take them to the -appropriate- courts
(of
>>>>>>> the other party) and
try to get them to stop...
blackmailing
>>>>>>> the sales
department of the transit carriers of
their
>>>>>>> supplier of their
supplier of their supplier, will only
make
>>>>>>> them change isps,
cause financial loss (or gains:
setup
>>>>>>> fees),
etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
so far all spamhaus has ever established
is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable
ipv4
>>>>>>> 'burned'
ranges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open
relays)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- smtp is no longer real time
(graylisting)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
- smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million
ip
>>>>>>> addresses listed
despite there only being 300k
mailservers
>>>>>>> in the
world, no
wonder!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of
smtp.
>>>>>>>
congratulations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are
real-time
>>>>>>> and do have
friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded
in
>>>>>>> bringing microsoft
and facebook users to spy on. well
done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has
no
>>>>>>> users left. people
only start it up to read
ripe
>>>>>>> mailinglists (lol)
or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT.
lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our
networks...
>>>>>>> because...
ever since 2004... we have simply blocked
port
>>>>>>> 25... smtp only
causes -shit- and it -delivers
shit-
>>>>>>> (abusemail and
'legal' threats about shit that is not
our
>>>>>>> problem). we sure as
hell have some customers that
cause
>>>>>>> 'shit' but they
usually do it in somewhat more
profitable
>>>>>>> markets than
sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a
tv
>>>>>>> station or 2 to do
their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus.
lol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our
1000-1500
>>>>>>> euros per
month per server would come from, i don't know,
i
>>>>>>> certainly have never
met any... i tried to invoice one
60k
>>>>>>> once and he backed
off already. poor spammers. they're
like
>>>>>>> child porn people.
can't pay for anything, so not an
urgent
>>>>>>> issue at
all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia
rolling
>>>>>>> over their
doorstep and if it's not them its the god
damn
>>>>>>> copyright mafia.
slightly different budgetarial
picture
>>>>>>> there. shit that
-is- worth the
trouble.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of
your
>>>>>>> crappy silly old
smtp protocol, which doesn't
even
>>>>>>> -originate- from
our networks in the first fucking
place,
>>>>>>> and stick it
where the sun doesn't shine... as
for
>>>>>>> malware... windows
is the malware there... it
facilitates
>>>>>>> all the
programs residing on top of the same old 1990s
badly
>>>>>>> implemented os/2
ripoff crap. so basically call
mickeysoft
>>>>>>> and ask them
to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call
the
>>>>>>> european commission
and impose trade bans against
microsoft.
>>>>>>> simple
enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf
von
>>>>>>> CyberBunker
wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s,
porn
>>>>>>>> of any kind,
human trafficing services, specific
animals,
>>>>>>>> cocain,
data obtained through espionage,
encryption
>>>>>>>>
technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda,
etc
>>>>>>>> is subject to
applicable local law (if any, and if there
is
>>>>>>>> none, it's
perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies'
as
>>>>>>>> spamhaus is not
supposed to be 'the internet
government'.
>>>>>>>> even if
they think they should
be.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
if the uk wants to keep certain products from
entering
>>>>>>>> 'their'
territory (and in doing so limit the freedom
of
>>>>>>>> their own
stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to
them
>>>>>>>> others choose
not to work against their
own
>>>>>>>> stakeholders/tax
payers that way. they have a
customs
>>>>>>>> department
to keep said products outside. can't tell
others
>>>>>>>> not to
produce or sell or advertise it. setting up
dirty
>>>>>>>> front
operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds
into
>>>>>>>> the illusion
that they would be 'fighting spam' is a
very
>>>>>>>> nasty thing to
do. geo-political wise and business
wise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
now... in thailand porn is illegal... so...
let's
>>>>>>>> disconnect all
porn sites because thailand wants us to,
oh
>>>>>>>> but wait,
thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking
they
>>>>>>>> rule the entire
internet through means of blackmail
and
>>>>>>>> calling people
'spammers' or 'spam
supporters'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
what also works, besides blackmailing with
committing
>>>>>>>> computer
sabotage against the sales department of
suppliers
>>>>>>>> of
suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a
website,
>>>>>>>> are:
assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent
orange.
>>>>>>>> etc... all
of which should be deployed against spamhaus
if
>>>>>>>> you ask me. :P
but a nullroute would suffice. lol.
after
>>>>>>>> all bgp is an
'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we
don't
>>>>>>>> block
anything' as they themselves always
say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
On 30 ???, 2017 ? 11:29, Esa Laitinen
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf
von
>>>>>>>>> CyberBunker
<svenk@xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk@xs4all.nl>>
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
also it's quite vague that when some mossadis
rent
>>>>>>>>>
servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which
we
>>>>>>>>>
happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) -
spamhaus
>>>>>>>>>
somehow magically never lists -that-..
just
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems
that
>>>>>>>>> the listing
works!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
Keep up the good work, spamhaus et
al!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
esa
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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