On 9 Apr 2010, at 10:02, Frank Gadegast , Dipl-Inform. Frank Gadegast wrote:
Thats up for discussion. Preferably every incident will generate one mail to be qick as possible. Surely its also possible to summarizereal outbreaks.
OK
You can then look up the report (or even automate it), reset his radius password and kick him out, waiting for him to phone your support :o)
Not everyone has the same business model
Right, some members seem to make money with abuse ...
Again - if you expect there to be ANY dialogue you need to drop that attitude It's offensive and totally unhelpful
Or you could redirect him to a webpage describing that there are too many reports coming in for his IP in a whatever time. Its all up you.
My dream system looks like this: - abuse reports will get standarized
that would be helpful
Indeed.
- monitoring systems will be developed at all RIRs
Monitoring for what exactly???
abuse reports
I'm having difficulty understanding this. If a RIPE member has an abuse contact and sets up abuse contact objects for every allocation, why do you need anything else?
And again you are working under the false assumption that ALL RIPE members offer the same services as you do and in the same way.
So we are even not clear that abuse is kind of "evil" and should be acceptable because its the business of the member ?
We should close this list, if we could not even have the same oppinion here.
But feel free to explain these "business models" to me ...
Again - drop the attitude You have to understand that not every RIPE member offers the same services or has the same resources at their disposal etc.,
"Bad providers" could be even published by RIPE :o)
Are you insane? RIPE cannot open itself up for that kind of liability
Why not, blacklists are doing the same, whats the difference ?
Ask a lawyer.
Well, thats only work at RIPE NCC, its not that complicated to automated bounces ...
So you say ..
Yes, its quite easy.
No it isn't. Either: - learn how to discuss this with other RIPE members or keep on with your stupid attitude and see how far it gets you
You cannot speak for all providers / RIPE members.
Thats one of the reasons for a centralized system located at RIPE. The system only needs to be implemented once, there will be nearly no costs on the members side (except that they have to deal with report, but they can still ignore them and except the costs that might be added to RIPEs fees, but that should not be that much.
You do not know that. You have no way of knowing how much of a load would be placed on RIPE's systems
You are also suggesting putting a very heavy load on RIPE's systems which someone will have to pay for. Who?
The member. Simply add the costs to RIPE general costs and shared the along the members with the current mechanism, small member pay less, big one more.
confirmation would be enough, although you'd need some way to deal with automated reports.
Well, the monitoring system could send always the same backlink for the same IP, so that the ISP could still count the amount of incoming reports for one IP automatically and then "answers" it as being closed with just clicking ONE link.
Good idea ?
So you expect RIPE members to completely rework their abuse desks to fit into your view of the world?
Not MY VIEW, a standarized view.
You're not a very good listener, are you?
Thats the goal.
Lets see it this way: providers have to change their infrastructure regulary for a couple or reasons and always have done. Serverhousing changed pretty much during the last years. There was the change from ISDN to DSL dialin, there are new technologies for HTML, Flash and Mail every day.
And do not forget IPv6, EVERY member has to change that in the new future.
I can't see that happening, because not all RIPE members are the same or work in the same way.
Well they work on the same basics, what are allocations and other resources. Resources cause traffic, and every members uses resources like nameservices, webpages and email. And spam problem comes into play with the later.
The difference isnt that big. Business models have nothing to do with how to deal with resources the got from RIPE.
Yes it does If you think that you can live in a world where business models have zero impact on reality then you are deluded
Kind regards, Frank
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