Hi, On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons.
I do understand your arguments, but I'm not agreeing with the conclusion. If we can't agree on "this is abuse" and "that is not", how can we ever agree on "we should do something against abuse!"? More extreme wording: why would I, as an ISP, need an abuse handling department if I can just declare "ah, no, this is all normal customer activity" instead? So, yes, defining abuse is very hard - but if we ever want to reach a good level of common abuse squashing, we should find a common understanding. Like "using other people's resources (bandwidth, money, time) without at least implicit permission, for personal gain". (I, for one, consider half the web sites out there abusive, with cookie banners, insanely big graphics, and weird scrolling stuff - but I guess most web developers would not agree to that) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279