On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 12:45:35 +0100 Richard Clayton <richard@highwayman.com> wrote:
In message <3C775DA1-20AE-441E-B30E-38243F420D24@blacknight.com>, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele@blacknight.com> writes
What's any of this got to do with RIPE and this WG?
the issue of mail bombing ... people getting 20K+ emails in their mailbox, each of which is individually quite acceptable is something which the industry has been struggling with for well over a year
and so this still begs the question - what is the arbitrary number? 20k? or 20k+ and over what time? The first thing to understand is if it is abuse at all. It seems as if both Richard and Michele agree and do not think that the arbitrary number of 5 verification emails in ten minutes to a victim email address, is abuse or abusive behavior. If in fact this is the case and the general consensus is that sending 500 verify your email address emails to a victim mailbox in ten minutes is not abuse, and the average person would only think it is abuse if they receive over 20 000 emails per day, then I guess I am wrong and I need to think about that, as in my opinion anything past 3 verify emails in 24 hours is abusive... Still it would be interesting to know if this is actually the case. If nothing under 20 000 "verify your email address" emails per day from the same IP number / resource is not abuse - Then it would be good to know that the members of this abuse WG think that I am silly with my daily limit of three. My clients do consider more than three 'verify your email address' emails from the same service, as spam and abuse... So if I am wrong, then there is also a big disconnect between what this list thinks and what the real world thinks... Andre