On 9 Mar 2011, at 13:26, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
In message <0DF22081-3CA4-4E6A-BC95-118CC8BCDE68@blacknight.ie>, "Michele Neylon :: Blacknight" <michele@blacknight.ie> wrote:
On 9 Mar 2011, at 12:43, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Secondly, regarding the local blacklisting of blacknight.ie, I can assure you that it's nothing personal. That happens to all domains that spam me= . If you want to see the spam that triggered that, ask and I'll be happy to dig it out for you. (There's a handy contact form on my web site for use by folks in domains that are in the local blacklist.)
Well if the form on your site loaded I would have
Works for me.
If you could send it to me offlist or to abuse@blacknight.ie we will look into it
Sent, as requested.
Was there some particular reasons why Nigerian fraudsters would have been allowed to send e-mail through your servers in Jan of '010? Did you have a security melt down?
ROFL We are a hosting company. Our clients can and do do silly things from time to time If / when we get reports to our abuse desk about such behaviour we take action And blocking our domain name isn't exactly the sanest way of blocking junk from our network ..
If either of you would like to return to _this_ reality for a moment, you may perhaps notice that (contrary to your bunker-mentality perception) I actually _didn't_ attack your right to sell service to Mongolia, if that is your wish.
Ok, but you didn't communicate that particularly clearly
Why do you say that? Because I pointed out that in addition to eveything else that made the IP blocks I posted aout fishy, they also just happened to have been given over to _American_ mass e-mailers?
OK. Gee. Sorry. Please strike the word "American".
I did (and do) however wonder out loud about RIPE policies when I see what appears to be large scale waste and fraud relating to precious and increasingly scarce number resources, and I did (and do) wonder about cases where some ``provider'' in the RIPE region somehow manages to get hold of a nice sized chunk of IPv4 space which is then, apparently, sold off to an American mass e-mailing company with _no_ apparent connectivity being associated with that deal... a practice that even the ICANN Politic= al Scientist fellow with the exceptionally thin skin seemed to indicate was in fact a violation of *existing* RIPE policies.
See here you're not making any sense
I know you think you are, but you're actually ignoring reality
We have clients from the US (and elsewhere) that do not have a physical pre sence in Ireland or anywhere else in Europe.
If they are given an allocation of space it's obviously going to be assigne d to them.
Do you have ``customers'' to whom you simply sell IP addresses, and nothing else?
We don't sell IP addresses We sell services which include IP allocations and LIR services *cough* We generally would hope that the clients would take bandwidth and other services from us, but we also have clients who pay us just for blocks of IPs and the management of same
For all you know they could be using the space and servers etc., just to se rve their EMEA clients ..
I have no idea what that stands for... Emerging Market E-mail Association?
Google it If you are going to make silly assumptions based on your ignorance then I'm not going to jump through hoops to educate you
Now obviously if they're abusing the space and the policies then I'd love t o see that addressed..
If??
Yes - "if" it's a part of speech used in the English language in conditionals http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conditional
but I don't see why where a company is based is relevant
Hey! I don't make the rules. I'm just trying to understand what they are
Well I think you need to take that up with RIPE's policy people.
Maybe location _isn't_ actually relevant to anything, ever. But it has been my understanding that if a company from your side of the pond came over and asked ARIN for a hunk of IPv4 space without so much as putting a single server or router anywhere in North America, then you'd be politely told to go fish.
Well we would only be doing that if we had kit in the US .. I can't think of any reason why we'd do it otherwise
(And likewise and conversely for someone on this side of the pond, coming and asking RIPE for space.)
Did I misunderstand?
I don't think so, but someone else might be able to correct me
If not, then maybe location _does_ matter after all. No?
Location of what? Location of the company isn't relevant. Location of network equipment probably is .. Regards Michele Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.mobi/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon PS: Check out our latest offers on domains & hosting: http://domainoffers.me/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845