If a single spammer (for example), once in the year, sends 50.000 spams messages (with is a ridiculous number in a single campaign, and we know that there are thousands of them every year), the cost for all the *15.000+* LIRs abuse desks is already compensated vs the cost of the TWO-yearly validations. Note that the proposal is not telling that you must do a manual validation, only that even if you have your abuse-desk automated, you should make sure that after all the automation, if something can't be handled by the automated process, it should go to a human. El 21/5/19 16:20, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> escribió: Hi, it's nice how you can decide on your own how the (very real) extra costs incurred to *15.000+* LIR abuse desks plus the RIPE NCC are "negilible", claiming that the (unfounded) saving on the costs on the side of abuse reporters would outweigh that. Please back with actual numbers. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.