Hi Sara,

While I fully agree with Sergio and yourself, the issue here is that this part of your text

“Complete, accurate information goes hand in hand with a duty of care, of promptly taking actions against abuse, and should be accompanied by a social responsibility of trying to make the Internet a safe and secure place for everyone, thus not enabling actively DDoS, spammers, and criminals in general”

Very well put, Sérgio. Thank you for voicing clearly the concern of (at least a part of) the community.

We should not forget that, according to the provisions of RIPE NCC audits, “every party that has entered into an agreement with the RIPE NCC is contractually obliged to provide the RIPE NCC with complete, updated and accurate information necessary for the provision of the RIPE NCC services and to assist the RIPE NCC with audits and security checks”.  Complete, accurate information goes hand in hand with a duty of care, of promptly taking actions against abuse, and should be accompanied by a social responsibility of trying to make the Internet a safe and secure place for everyone, thus not enabling actively DDoS, spammers, and criminals in general.  

If the community does not agree that everyone has the right to a safe, spam free, crime free Internet, maybe we have some issue to solve here first.

Kind regards,

Sara

Europol - O3 European Cyber Crime Centre (EC3)

Eisenhowerlaan 73, 2517 KK

The Hague, The Netherlands

www.europol.europa.eu

Hi,

Agree, This anti-abuse list seems the blocking group to any anit-abuse response measure.

It's amazing that nobody cant propose anything without receiving a shower of all sorts of arguments against

There is an idea that everyone has to hold, if as a community we cannot organize a policy, one of these days there will be a problem that will make governments take the opportunity to legislate and we will no longer have the free and open internet.

There are a feew ideas that is simple to understand:

1 - If you have been assigned a network you have responsibilities, paying should not be the only one.

2 - There is no problem with email, since ever are made solutions to integrate with emails. There is no need to invent a new protocol. Who has a lot of abuse, invests in integrating these emails.

3 - If you have no ability to manage abuse should not have addressing, leave it to professionals.

The internet is critical for everyone, the ability for actors to communicate with each other to respond to abuse must exist and RIPE must ensure that it exists.

It’s like the relation with local governments, there is a set of information that has to be kept up to date to avoid problems, in RIPE it must be the same.

Sergio

From: anti-abuse-wg [mailto:anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Fi Shing
Sent: 16 de janeiro de 2020 04:55
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

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Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")
From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg@tristatelogic.com>
Date: 1/16/20 11:47 am
To: "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>

In message <20200115155949.af7f9f79718891d8e76b551cf73e1563.e548b98006.mailapi@
email19.asia.godaddy.com>, "Fi Shing" <phishing@storey.xxx> wrote:

>That is the most stupid thing i've read on this list.

Well, I think you shouldn't be quite so harsh in your judgement. It is
not immediately apparent that you have been on the list for all that long.
So perhaps you should stick around for awhile longer before making such
comments. If you do, I feel sure that there will be any number of
stupider things that may come to your attention, including even a few
from your's truly.

Best not to judge the race until it has been fully run.

>Which criminal is paying you to say this nonsense, because no ordinary person
>that has ever received a spam email would ever say such crap.

I would also offer the suggestion that such inartful commentary, being as
it is, ad hominem, is not at all likely to advance your agenda. It may
have felt good, but I doubt that you have changed a single mind, other
than perhaps one or two who will now be persuaded to take the opposing
position, relative to whatever it was that you had hoped to achieve.


Regards,
rfg

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