There really isn’t much possible regardless of the rechartering.

There is one section of wg members opposed to taking action of almost any sort that is proposed by members of another section of the wg members.

Tinkering with who the chairs are or what the charter is will not have any effect on this, you need a professional negotiation or conflict resolution person.

--srs

From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Date: Sunday, 24 March 2024 at 6:22 AM
To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net>
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking Input on the Future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group

Hi everyone,

My 2 cents:

I'm clearly for option 1.

Cheers,
Carlos


On Thu, 21 Mar 2024, Alessandro Vesely wrote:

> Hi chairs, all,
>
> I think this is a great working group.  Periods of silence are physiological;
> for example, they may arise after a thorough discussion about a proposed
> point which is eventually found to be unfeasible.  The idea to force every
> abuse-c to actually receive email messages and act on them suits that
> example.
>
> If there are security topics that the current charter doesn't cover,
> re-chartering is certainly a good idea.  The chairs are great, especially
> Brian, and I see no reason to select new ones.  Closing the working group
> would be a matter of regret and I hope it's not going to happen.
>
>
> Best
> Ale
>
>
> On Thu 21/Mar/2024 10:09:00 +0100 Markus de Brün wrote:
>>
>> Dear Anti-Abuse Working Group Members,
>>
>>
>> As Co-Chairs, we have been carefully monitoring the discussions on the
>> mailing list and are concerned about the current state of stagnation and
>> lack of progress.
>>
>> After consideration and discussion among the Co-Chairs, we believe it is
>> necessary to initiate a dialogue regarding the future direction of our
>> working group. Some action is needed to revitalise our efforts.
>>
>>
>> The Co-Chairs have discussed a number of options, both between ourselves
>> and with the RIPE Chair Team. However, due to the lack of general
>> engagement, and the circular conversations on the list, we see three viable
>> options at this point::
>>
>>
>>  1.
>>
>>     Re-charteringthe working group, possibly transitioning it into a
>> Security
>>     Working Group to broaden our scope and address related concerns
>>     comprehensively. (The current charter can be found here:
>>     https://www.ripe.net/community/wg/active-wg/anti-abuse/
>>     <https://www.ripe.net/community/wg/active-wg/anti-abuse/>)
>>
>>  2.
>>
>>     It is possible we are simply the wrong Co-Chairs at the wrong time, so
>> we
>>     can step-downand allow the working group to select new Co-Chairs.
>>
>>  3.
>>
>>     Closing the working groupif consensus cannot be reached on a viable
>> path
>>     forward.
>>
>>
>> It may be that there are people in the Working Group who are eager to
>> propose new policies, or embark on a project to systematically examine the
>> abuse ecosystem, but over the last year or so, there has been no evidence
>> this is the case.
>>
>>
>> However, we firmly believe that the best course of action is to engage all
>> members of the Anti-Abuse Working Group in an open and transparent
>> discussion about the challenges we face and the opportunities for positive
>> change. Your input and perspectives are invaluable in shaping the future of
>> our community.
>>
>>
>> Therefore, we are inviting you to participate actively in this crucial
>> conversation. We encourage you to share your thoughts, suggestions, and
>> concerns regarding the current state of the working group and your vision
>> for its future direction.
>>
>>
>> Your input will help inform our next steps and guide the evolution of the
>> Anti-Abuse Working Group. We encourage you to share your feedback openly on
>> the mailing list so that all members can participate in the conversation.
>> We hope to discuss the status at RIPE88.
>>
>>
>> Thank you for reading this far. We look forward to your active
>> participation in shaping the future of the Anti-Abuse Working Group.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Brian, Tobias, Markus
>
>
>
>
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