Malcolm At the moment people can put in any rubbish they want into an abuse-c and there is zero validation. The proposed change will mean that at least there is a valid email address at the other side even if it triggers an auto-response. In fact an auto-reply would be preferable to the black holes in many cases .. Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ http://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 On 25/09/2017, 15:02, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Malcolm Hutty" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of malcolm@linx.net> wrote: On 25/09/2017 14:26, herve.clement@orange.com wrote: > With regard to your first scenario, the auto-answer you mention can be > considered as a valid reply, and the "support service" would help to > proceed with the abuse report. Hervé, Thank you for your reply. If an autoresponder directing the enquirer to go read a FAQ, and possibly submit a web ticket, is deemed compliant with this policy it seems unlikely to do much harm, albeit equally unlikely to do anything terribly useful. I still think Gregory's/Europol's needs would be better addressed by asking the NCC to provide a simple visualisation tool for the BGP routing table that enabled investigators to easily discover for a given network that was targetted for investigation which other network was providing the transit. I strongly suspect that for most of the suspect networks Europol has difficulty pinning down there is a very small number (maybe even only one) much larger, more reputable, and more easily found located network operator who would also be much more willing to be cooperative - and the only thing standing in the way of Europol making such an approach is difficulty in inspecting routing and visualising these relationships. That may not provide a perfect solutions in all cases, but neither will asking the NCC to validate data submitted by a small number of organisations that wish to conceal/lie about their data, hiding in amongst a large number of organisations that fail to maintain their data for less nefarious reasons. Malcolm. -- Malcolm Hutty | tel: +44 20 7645 3523 Head of Public Affairs | Read the LINX Public Affairs blog London Internet Exchange | http://publicaffairs.linx.net/ London Internet Exchange Ltd Monument Place, 24 Monument Street London EC3R 8AJ Company Registered in England No. 3137929 Trinity Court, Trinity Street, Peterborough PE1 1DA