Why? It’s an EAI issue more than anything else. If your email client or server can’t handle UTF-8 then doing the punycode conversion is unlikely to help I’d also encourage RIPE NOT to force Latin characters only – the RIPE region covers multiple languages which are not Latin based and if anything it should be leading by example More details on EAI and UA issues here: https://uasg.tech/ Regards Michele -- Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting, Colocation & Domains https://www.blacknight.com/ https://blacknight.blog/ Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Personal blog: https://michele.blog/ Some thoughts: https://ceo.hosting/ ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845 From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of David Guo via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Reply to: David Guo <david@xtom.com> Date: Tuesday 19 November 2019 at 13:34 To: Thomas Hungenberg <th@cert-bund.de>, "anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Non-ASCII characters in abuse-mailbox addresses Oh you already tried and it works. I suggest RIPE can convert the IDN domains to punnycode on database. ________________________________ From: David Guo <david@xtom.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:32:54 PM To: Thomas Hungenberg <th@cert-bund.de>; anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Non-ASCII characters in abuse-mailbox addresses Did you try IDN / Punnycode converter? Try abuse@xn--zrich-kva.email ? ________________________________ From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Thomas Hungenberg <th@cert-bund.de> Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:27:13 PM To: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Subject: [anti-abuse-wg] Non-ASCII characters in abuse-mailbox addresses Hi, some abuse contacts registered with RIPE use non-ascii characters with the abuse-mailbox addresses, e.g. % Abuse contact for '195.78.76.0 - 195.78.77.255' is 'abuse@zürich.email' However, the corresponding MTA does not support SMTPUTF8: 7B579403C6: to=<abuse@zürich.email>, relay=mail.xn--zrich-kva.email[109.95.241.50]:25, delay=0.33, delays=0.01/0/0.32/0, dsn=5.6.7, status=bounced (SMTPUTF8 is required, but was not offered by host mail.xn--zrich-kva.email[109.95.241.50]) (In this particular case, sending email to the IDNA representation of the email address <abuse@xn--zrich-kva.email> works.) In our experience, using umlauts and other non-ascii characters in (the host part of) email addresses still cause a lot of problems in general. Even if the recipient's MX supports SMTPUTF8 correctly, MTAs on the transport way may fail to handle SMTPUTF8 messages. To prevent such problems and make sure all abuse mailboxes can be addressed, I wonder if the values of abuse-mailbox attributes should be restricted to ASCII characters only. What do you think? - Thomas