Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
Hi,
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 06:02:22AM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
Frank Gadegast<ripe-anti-spam-wg@powerweb.de> wrote:
Maybe RIPE should introduce real votes, where 50% are enough to accept drafts.
I was not aware that this is NOT currently the case.
To clarify:
- the RIPE NCC and the RIPE AGM has voting, and counting of votes (this is the legal entity that handles the day to day work, the flow of money, serves as point of contact for legal enforcement agencies, etc.)
- the RIPE *community* (that sets the policy framework for the RIPE NCC) operates on the basis of consensus - there's no voting here, because nobody ever figured out how to make voting work for "The Internet Community".
And thats really a point to question these days. RIPE is the only organisation Im a member of, that allows non-members to tell them what to do. Its really strange, that any Internetuser worldwide capable of working an mailclient can contribute to the process of consensus and can be part of the descisions how RIPe handles their resources. And it seems to be an important part, that the leader of any group has to decide if consensus has been reached about a draft, before the draft can reach the next step. Its not very democratic if the whole process can be stopped - either by a bunch of people that are neither RIPE members nor even located in the RIPE region - of by the working group leader (that should defny be his role) I defny vote for that RIPE drafts should only be discussed by RIPE members and that a 50% votes of RIPE members are enough to accept a draft. Think of the following: if I would be AT&T and like to fight against German Telekom as a big competitor in the US market, I would get a thousand US customers, that like to have cheaper rates, and file a draft at RIPE that will cost all RIPE members a lot of money ... Kind regards, Frank P.S.: uups, have to go now, several if our POP/IMAP server seems to be under attack by a password scanner just in this moment. Have to check, if our Anti-DDOS-Tools catch them all right. Interesting, this time coming from adsl-75-18-71-221.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net AT&T is misusing the resources they got from ARIN in a very illegal way here :o) And they did not even write Descr: POP/IMAP password scanner to get hold of user passwords Descr: for illegal activities in there description field !
Gert Doering -- NetMaster
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