On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 11:04:53PM +0000, Carlos Friaas wrote:
I don't think that word means what you think it does. "criminal" has a very precise legal meaning. If you think that advertisement of numbers is a criminal act, please provide jurisdiction, act and article under which it is.
Three words: "dutch", "court", "order" -- that's jurisdiction over RIPE NCC.
To amplify: my comment centers on the use of the term "criminal" for someone who commits $something_i_don't_like_but_isn't_actually_illegal. Somewhat dangerous terrain in Europe because slander, ironically, *is* a criminal offence in some jurisdictions. I should propbably excuse Ronald because to a, first-amendment-protected, American the concept must seem ludicrous. Although I hear Trump wants to change that... sncr, SL
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You must have read a different verion of this proposal than what I have read. The proposal calls for a "finding" to be made and a report submitted. Any consequences are not even within the mandate of RIPE policy.
And ratified (you may have missed that bit!)
I also don't see any immediate or automatic consequence(s).
However, if the policy was indeed violated, then the door is open for subsequent action(s) -- which can take its due time as already established. This proposal doesn't even try to touch that, and i hope this is completely clear by now.
I would just like it noted, for the record, that RIPE is actually not a "monopoly provider", and that the four other RIRs might reasonably take umbrage at the very suggestion.
And, like so often, you are wrong here too.
Allow me to disagree (again).
Each RIR is a monopoly provider for its own service region. Some RIRs even mandate that the resources they allocate and assign must not be used outside their service region.
Have you heard about legacy resources? Do you know they can be subject to transfers?
Additionally, please note you wrote "Some RIRs", not "All RIRs" :-)
Question: if that mandate is not comploed, is it enough for the NCC to terminate the SSA?
Regards, Carlos
rgds, Sascha Luck