Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:Who did a comparison here ?
Neither dtag nor the other entities that you mentioned, are using the
resources that they have been allocated, and could possibly do with less
of, are using their IP space for large scale network abuse so i do wish
you wouldn't make such comparisons
I didnt.
Those are different facts (abusers, wasters, stupid protocols
and far too big legacy chunks along with stupid ERX blocks spreaded
and wasted all over the place) all ending up in wasted address space.
The question is, if the community likes to collects these netblocks
back to give it away to people that need some, in much smaller
chunks.
Or if we are too lazy (simply because it would be quite difficult)
and then push IPv6 forward (what will exhaust one day too, simply
because we waste them already).
In this case Ronald is quite right ...
I personally wondered why IPv6 was started before the IPv4
space was cleaned up, somehow typical I would say ...
Kind regards, Frank
mailto:frank@powerweb.de <mailto:frank@powerweb.de><mailto:ripe-anti-spam-wg@powerweb.de>> wrote:
Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
am concerned, any further time of mine spent interacting with this
Hm, you would probably have more time, when bringing your mails
down to facts instead of writing lines and lines of lyrics ...
Nearly all IPv4 space has been given to people and companies.
There is nearly nothing left you could give away ...
All these resources, if managed properly, sensibly, and without
profligate
waste and short-term driven exploitation, could be easily rendered
I agree, that there are many many IPv4 addresses currentyl wasted,
unused like all these big class-A blocks they gave to the
NSA, HP, Apple aso, wich can never proof a need of that many IPs for
servers and equipment.
And there are stupid big block reservations for protocols nobody
actually uses, like internal networks, multicast aso.
They could be reduced to a single Class-B for example ...
There are also lots of blocks given to people and companies that
do illegal or unwanted things, at least in some countries ...
And there are lots of big blocks wasted with companies (I would
say typically access providers), that are really to stupid
to configure there equipment right and instead ordered
more and more IPs (an example: the German DTAG could only
give access to 80 Million people maximum, guess how many
IPs they have for access purpose ?)
All those IPs could be used much better and probably last a very
long time ...
But: those netblocks have been given to the resource holders
under the regulations of that time.
Do you really want to change the regulations now, to take
resources "back" ?
You have have to be "Robin Hood" to achieve that ...
Good luck, Frank
infinitely renewable, could be handed down, by us, largely if
not entirely
intact, not merely to the next generation, but also to their
descendants,
forever.
But homo sapiens clearly has not reached that understanding yet.
He is
still out walking across that frozen land bridge from Asia into the
Americans, and all the way down to Tierra Del Fuego, perpetually in
search of new space to invade, conquer, exploit, lay waste to,
and then,
as always move on. This worked great for dozens of millennia. Alas
it will not work forever.
Regards,
rfg
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