content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse.

'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is used as intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not abuse at all. it's like tv advertisements.

'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old services 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should get some import restrictions, and the problem is solved ay. it's windows itself that is the malware there...

'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks balls and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret ones on the back of a plastic card people show in every restaurant they go to are 'security' - go fix your own crap and stop bothering us, we forward -packets-. we don't have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial services.

'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. - yes .. that's 'abuse'. lol.

and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is doing they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the other party) and try to get them to stop... blackmailing the sales department of the transit carriers of their supplier of their supplier of their supplier, will only make them change isps, cause financial loss (or gains: setup fees), etc.

so far all spamhaus has ever established is:

- a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned' ranges.

- smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays)

- smtp is no longer real time (graylisting)

- smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip addresses listed despite there only being 300k mailservers in the world, no wonder!)

so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp. congratulations.

everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and do have friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing microsoft and facebook users to spy on. well done.

if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users left. people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol) or sign up for habbo hotel. FACT. lol.

none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks... because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port 25... smtp only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit- (abusemail and 'legal' threats about shit that is not our problem). we sure as hell have some customers that cause 'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more profitable markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a tv station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol.

where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros per month per server would come from, i don't know, i certainly have never met any... i tried to invoice one 60k once and he backed off already. poor spammers. they're like child porn people. can't pay for anything, so not an urgent issue at all.

our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling over their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn copyright mafia. slightly different budgetarial picture there. shit that -is- worth the trouble.

now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your crappy silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate- from our networks in the first fucking place, and stick it where the sun doesn't shine... as for malware... windows is the malware there... it facilitates all the programs residing on top of the same old 1990s badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft and ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the european commission and impose trade bans against microsoft. simple enough.

advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of any kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, cocain, data obtained through espionage, encryption technology, vpns, gay propaganda, military propaganda, etc is subject to applicable local law (if any, and if there is none, it's perfectly fine)... not 'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet government'. even if they think they should be.

if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering 'their' territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of their own stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others choose not to work against their own stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a customs department to keep said products outside. can't tell others not to produce or sell or advertise it. setting up dirty front operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that they would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do. geo-political wise and business wise.

now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect all porn sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait, thailand doesn't have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the entire internet through means of blackmail and calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'.

what also works, besides blackmailing with committing computer sabotage against the sales department of suppliers of suppliers of suppliers of the publisher of a website, are: assassins, commandos, carpet bombing, agent orange. etc... all of which should be deployed against spamhaus if you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. lol. after all bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we don't block anything' as they themselves always say.

On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote:

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk@xs4all.nl> wrote:

also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent servers and run an espionage botnet on it (which we happily intercept ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow magically never lists -that-.. just

Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the listing works!

Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al!

esa