andre@ox.co.za wrote:
Frank Gadegast said on Monday 09 August 2010 :
Thor Kottelin wrote:
removing networks from RIPEs databased will also remove all reverse mapping and nameserver entries, right ?
No mailserver, that is configured to fight only a bit against spam accepts mail from IPs without a working reverse mapping.
So, if RIPE ever wants to punish network abusers, thats an easy way of doing it ...
I agree that this may be a somewhat effective approach.
All this is technically easy, the only thing missing is a discussion, who decides, what objects need to be remove and why.
This is the best idea that I have heard in a long time and there could be proper structures in place (similiar to spamcop) to prevent abuse
Even if I really want that, its nearly impossible. There are always some members, thats are not willing to restrict regulations, that are happy like it is. This can have a lot of reasons: - because their culture or country regulations do not allow that - because they want a free internet, even with free abuse - they make money with abuse (maybe even only with flooding others with mail offers or make money by selling upstream, hosting and services. I was talking to a spam solution provider lately, the most he fears, is that the RIRs are finally doing something ! you see: he is not eval himself, in fact his company is doing something really good, but he still makes money from spam) - or because they simply do not want to take care about their resources, because its work and therefor costs money We are talking about a definition of abuse for a couple of years now, without any result, because those members always find "a hair in the soup" (a saying in Germany). And you cannot change RIPEs regulations without a definition and he will to do something from the community. And RIPE NCC will never do anything thats not defined in the regulations. THATS the problem. Maybe we should make a rehersal, vote or proposal to answer a simply question: "should RIPE create regulations to remove resources because of abuse ?"
Andre
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