Newcomers are welcome. It's that simple. If newcomers do not feel welcome then it is up to the Co-Chairs and all members of the WG to improve that. I know that saying something doesn't automatically make it so, and I know how intimidating some mail threads can be, but remember to make everyone welcome and to treat their words with good intent. It's on all of us. Thanks, Brian Co-Chair, RIPE AAWG Brian Nisbet Service Operations Manager HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network 1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland +35316609040 brian.nisbet@heanet.ie www.heanet.ie Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
-----Original Message----- From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> On Behalf Of Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg Sent: Friday 5 April 2019 08:28 To: Sascha Luck [ml] <aawg@c4inet.net> Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] On +1s and Policy Awareness AND Astro... something...
Hi, Sascha, All,
Seriously? Newcomers welcomed?
It's just a matter of going back and re-read parts of the thread and some sub- threads...
Regards, Carlos
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Sascha Luck [ml] wrote:
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:52:32PM +0100, CSIRT.UMINHO Marco Teixeira wrote:
While I speak for myself, I might incur the risk of representing a lot of the so-called "Astroturfers?!". While some accuse (please don't take it personally, it's just clarification) the newcomers of being voiceless, I must say that I have been, with great effort, refraining from going into a long discourse on a list where I am new. That should not be understood as a sign of "spamming" a vetting process, but as a sign of respect for all of you, long-standing members of RIPE, guardians of our IP addresses, one of the building blocks of the Internet :-)
I know of forums where "the n00b" is expected to shut up and listen, but this is not one of them. At least I have never noticed that newcomers weren't welcomed - and as I stated before, I personally would like to see more and different voices here - and no, not just those who agree with me although I hope some will...
So don't be afraid to speak up if you've something to say!
As one last thought, again IMHO, I believe BGP Hijacking is one of the most pressing issues, menacing the Internet resiliency, and it must be dealt with. In the same manner, we apply AUP's to our users, it's RIPE responsibility, to clearly state, it is not acceptable, and it will have consequences... Raising the risk for companies is the only way we tip the balance of "Loss vs Earning", and hopefully eradicate bad actors, or hopefully even stopping them right at their business plans.
1) The RIPE NCC is not the provider of "AUP" for the entire Internet or even the Internet of the Service Region. I understand that some would *like* it to be, but that is not what the members are paying it for. 2) If anyone needs to be "eradicated", I'd prefer that to be determined by a judge and, preferably, a jury. NOT some neighbourhood watch curtain-twitcher with the help of a monopoly service provider.
This is why I support "2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)"
and this is why I oppose it :)
rgds, SL