On Tue, Aug 01, 2017 at 06:31:07PM +0200, Sander Steffann wrote:
If you dislike the engagement that RIPE NCC has with external organisations (see https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations) then the RIPE NCC General Meeting and/or exec-board@ripe.net seem the appropriate places to provide feedback. I don't think the RIPE anti-abuse working group is the right place for that.
As far as the actions of the NCC board go ,you're right, that should go to members-discuss (Not to the board, I want to see some debate on this, not some boilerplate from the board). The article originally linked by Brian does mix the RIPE community and the RIPE NCC though, even more so as the author seems confused about who he speaks for: "Nine years later, I'm working for the RIPE NCC's External Relations team to bring the RIPE community and the LEA community closer together." On the RIPE community side, I find these statements problematic: "[LEAs] also have a right to help shape RIPE Policy using the Policy Development Process." They do? My understanding of the PDP is that *individuals* make policy proposals and *individuals* discuss them. Is this no longer the case? Is RIPE policy now made by lobby groups and other "interested" organisations? And, yes, I am aware that individuals may be fronting for an organisation, this does not, in my understanding, mean their voice carries any more weight. "Part of my job is to help LEAs understand this process and how their suggestions on changing policy would impact the broader RIPE community, such as making changes to the RIPE Database, for example, that would make it easier for them to find the closest service provider to an end user engaged in criminal activity. This isn't special treatment, though �the RIPE NCC also helps governments, network operators, banks, business owners or anyone else interested in submitting a policy proposal do these things as well. It's part of our job as the RIPE secretariat." I was under the impression that this is the function of the NCC Impact Statement within the PDP. Neither does ripe-642 mention any discussions with or "help" from the NCC prior to the working group process. Perhaps someone can amplify on this? rgds, Sascha Luck