Hi Elvis and all, The RIPE NCC's procedural and legal framework for the implementation of the RIPE policies allow the RIPE NCC to revert transfers in exceptional circumstances. This is mentioned in the transfer agreement that both parties have to sign (article 2.6): https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-transfers-and-mergers/tran... More generally, and as we often state, we cannot publicly discuss the details of individual cases. This is important, both legally and in order to maintain the trust of our members. It can be difficult as speculation and incorrect information about cases can sometimes make its way to the media or to mailing lists and we are unable to provide detailed information. However, we can assure the members and community that we fairly implement the policies decided by the community within a strong legal framework and in accordance with our published procedures. Kind regards, Nikolas Pediaditis Registration Services and Policy Development Manager RIPE NCC
On 2 Jan 2020, at 19:34, Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis@v4escrow.net> wrote:
Hi Nikolas,
where in the policies are annulments possible?
Elvis
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 06:30 Nikolas Pediaditis <npediaditi@ripe.net> wrote: Dear Sergey,
In this case, the transfer was ‘reverted’, meaning that the registration details prior to the transfer were restored. We see this action as an annulment of the original transfer and not a second transfer requiring implementation of the 24-month rule.
With regards to implementing policies and procedures, we apply them as equally and neutrally as possible, but we also consider it reasonable and sensible to take extraordinary circumstances into account. On this occasion, RIPE NCC Management reviewed a case in which new information had come to light and it decided to act as it saw necessary and appropriate.
Kind regards,
Nikolas Pediaditis Registration Services and Policy Development Manager RIPE NCC
On 31 Dec 2019, at 21:13, Sergey Myasoedov via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Marco,
Later, we received new information from both organisations about this transfer. It was then followed by an official request in which both parties asked us to revert the changes made to our registry and return the IP addresses back to their previous holders. After an internal review, we reverted the registration of the addresses.
Can you give some more details on the fact that policy requirements for holding the resources for 24 months after the transfer was suspended?
While we cannot disclose more details publicly, we would like to emphasise that we took this action within our mandate to maintain an up-to-date and correct Internet number resource registry, and as a neutral and impartial organisation.
The last sentence proves that there are rules and there are rules. How the NCC can be a neutral organisation while policy isn't applied to all members in an equal manner?
Thank you and have a happy holidays.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
On 31 Dec 2019, at 09:28, Marco Schmidt <mschmidt@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
We would like to provide some clarification on this case.
Earlier this year, we transferred a large number of IP addresses from the autonomous nonprofit organisation "Russian Scientific-Research Institute for Public Networks” in the Russian Federation to the Reliable Communications s.r.o in the Czech Republic. This change was processed by the RIPE NCC in full compliance with RIPE Policies and the RIPE NCC’s published procedures.
Later, we received new information from both organisations about this transfer. It was then followed by an official request in which both parties asked us to revert the changes made to our registry and return the IP addresses back to their previous holders. After an internal review, we reverted the registration of the addresses.
While we cannot disclose more details publicly, we would like to emphasise that we took this action within our mandate to maintain an up-to-date and correct Internet number resource registry, and as a neutral and impartial organisation.
Kind regards and Happy New Year,
Marco Schmidt Registration Services and Policy Development Assistant Manager RIPE NCC
On 29/12/2019 06:45, Randy Bush wrote:
It would be nice if RIPE NCC could provide as part of its annual report a list of incidents of this nature so we have an idea of how wide-spread this is - or not. as i try not to indulge in schadenfreude, i don't have much use for this information.
we spent some time in this space in rotterdam. the presos were well done, but not my cup of coffee. i am sure there were others who found it fascinating. i guess that's what makes the world go 'round.
randy
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