I would never say you didn’t handle abuse reports. The question is whether that applies to each and every member in the ripe region. Even if a fraction of a percent of members or LIRs are affected by such a policy .. that is like saying there mustn’t be any speed limit because you are a careful and safe driver. --srs ________________________________ From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 7:51:20 PM To: Serge Droz <serge.droz@first.org> Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net <anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Report ignored. What to do as next? Hi, On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 09:53:54AM +0100, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
And as long as this group cannot come up with a compromise nothing will change, in essence the anti-abuse wg is taken hostage by the nay sayers. These discussions have been going on for years. Nothing new has come out.
I'd argue the attention budget of the anti-abuse WG is taken hostage by people bringing the same non-acceptable proposal back again and again... Let me repeat that we *do* handle our abuse reports, man our abuse mail address, and *do* like having working abuse contacts in the RIPE DB - it's just that this proposal at hand will do just plain nothing to improve the situation, while at the same hand annoying (and putting at potential risk if something slips) those that already do the right thing. No positive effect, but measurable drawbacks, so not a good way forward, no matter how often this is re-started. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279