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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abusive behavior by Google Inc
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 14 Apr '16

14 Apr '16

Post hoc ergo propter hoc --srs > On 14-Apr-2016, at 8:38 PM, andre(a)ox.co.za wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:24:11 +0530 > Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't work for gmail fyi (as a quick google search will tell you, >> or a Bing if you hate google so much) and I don't use sorbs either, >> not since the late 2000s anyway. >> >> Without seeing a smtp txn with logging all the way up or a tcpdump I >> am not sure what is going on but a read error probably means you're >> dropping the smtp connection right after the 5xx without giving gmail >> the time to gracefully QUIT the smtp session. Or vice versa > > No. > > This is a gmail bounce to a gmail customer (for example my own gmail > account) > > nothing to do with @ox.co.za - except that @ox.co.za sends: > JunkMail rejected - is in an RBL, see Client host blocked using Barracuda Reputation, > see http://www.barracudanetworks.com/reputation/?r=1 etc etc. > > so, when Gmail cannot deliver to @ox.co.za - because of dnsbl (whether it > is SORBS, SpamCop, SpamID.net or whomever, Gmail does not tell the > customer that the mail is being returned because just a minute earlier > google tried to drop 1000 phish on ox.co.za - instead tells the > customer: "read error" technical failure -- it is not a technical > failure at all! - it is simply that google is sp[amming (or being used > by their users to distribute spyware/phish or whatever) and it is NOT A > technical read error at all! > > > >> --srs >> >>> On 14-Apr-2016, at 8:05 PM, andre(a)ox.co.za wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:27 +0530 >>> Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> This isn't quite mailop but anyway - what specifically do you mean >>>> by replace here? >>> Yes, but is is an abuse wok group - it is important that the group >>> also discusses abuse, more so if their is abusive behavior from a >>> huge multinational. >>> >>>> Do you strip mime parts that you consider spam or malware and >>>> replace them with a suitable message? And is the gmail mta not >>>> reacting well to that? >>>> >>>> Examples would be interesting - certainly much more interesting >>>> than a vague rant. >>> Not a vague rant at all - the original post already contains the >>> information. Gmail is behaving poorly/abusively. >>> >>> maybe you require me to add additional information? - as there is >>> ZERO chance that you do not know what I am complaining about... >>> >>> I do wonder why you are not simply replying honestly and openly? >>> >>> ... Gmail customer sends email from Gmail to @ox.co.za >>> >>> ox.co.za responds: Listed at SORBS Currently sending SPAM! >>> >>> Gmail sends "improved" bounce report to Gmail customer: >>> >>> example: >>> >>>> Date: 14 April 2016 at 14:09:39 SAST >>>> To: customer(a)gmail.com >>>> >>>> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: >>>> >>>> andre(a)ox.co.za >>>> >>>> Technical details of permanent failure: >>>> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error >>>> >>>> ----- Original message ----- >>> >>> >>>> --srs >>> >>> andre >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 14-Apr-2016, at 7:17 PM, andre(a)ox.co.za wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com >>>>> customers saying: >>>>> >>>>> Technical details of permanent failure: >>>>> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error >>>>> >>>>> What this means is: >>>>> >>>>> Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams / >>>>> phish / virus / spyware messages from the various filters >>>>> >>>>> and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that >>>>> the receivers email server is broken in some way.... >>>>> >>>>> This is truly EVIL of Google to do... >>>>> >>>>> As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM! >>>>> >>>>> Example: @209.85.218.43 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC >>>>> technical failure messages... >>>>> >>>>> Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to >>>>> care?? >>>>> >>>>> Yes, of course! >>>>> >>>>> Andre >

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abusive behavior by Google Inc
by Richard Clayton 14 Apr '16

14 Apr '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In message , andre(a)ox.co.za writes >Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com customers >saying: > >Technical details of permanent failure: >read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error > >What this means is: > >Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams / phish / >virus / spyware messages from the various filters > >and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that the >receivers email server is broken in some way.... > >This is truly EVIL of Google to do... > >As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM! > >Example: @209.85.218.43 > >http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816 This is a complex example involving an email delivered to a gmail account and forwarded from there to Yahoo I cannot see "failed_precondition" anywhere on that page at all :-( - -- richard Richard Clayton Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a Benjamin little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Franklin -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 iQA/AwUBVw+uJju8z1Kouez7EQLTHQCg/Pmx1aoc8dggv+u24arozup8p7MAnjw0 R0+PztMI5ooo3trIcOro7Ecv =yK7e -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abusive behavior by Google Inc
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 14 Apr '16

14 Apr '16

I don't work for gmail fyi (as a quick google search will tell you, or a Bing if you hate google so much) and I don't use sorbs either, not since the late 2000s anyway. Without seeing a smtp txn with logging all the way up or a tcpdump I am not sure what is going on but a read error probably means you're dropping the smtp connection right after the 5xx without giving gmail the time to gracefully QUIT the smtp session. Or vice versa --srs > On 14-Apr-2016, at 8:05 PM, andre(a)ox.co.za wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 19:51:27 +0530 > Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> This isn't quite mailop but anyway - what specifically do you mean by >> replace here? > Yes, but is is an abuse wok group - it is important that the group also > discusses abuse, more so if their is abusive behavior from a huge > multinational. > >> Do you strip mime parts that you consider spam or malware and replace >> them with a suitable message? And is the gmail mta not reacting well >> to that? >> >> Examples would be interesting - certainly much more interesting than >> a vague rant. > Not a vague rant at all - the original post already contains the > information. Gmail is behaving poorly/abusively. > > maybe you require me to add additional information? - as there is ZERO > chance that you do not know what I am complaining about... > > I do wonder why you are not simply replying honestly and openly? > > ... Gmail customer sends email from Gmail to @ox.co.za > > ox.co.za responds: Listed at SORBS Currently sending SPAM! > > Gmail sends "improved" bounce report to Gmail customer: > > example: > >> Date: 14 April 2016 at 14:09:39 SAST >> To: customer(a)gmail.com >> >> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: >> >> andre(a)ox.co.za >> >> Technical details of permanent failure: >> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error >> >> ----- Original message ----- > > >> --srs > > andre > > > > > > >>> On 14-Apr-2016, at 7:17 PM, andre(a)ox.co.za wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com >>> customers saying: >>> >>> Technical details of permanent failure: >>> read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error >>> >>> What this means is: >>> >>> Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams / >>> phish / virus / spyware messages from the various filters >>> >>> and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that the >>> receivers email server is broken in some way.... >>> >>> This is truly EVIL of Google to do... >>> >>> As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM! >>> >>> Example: @209.85.218.43 >>> >>> http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816 >>> >>> >>> Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC >>> technical failure messages... >>> >>> Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to >>> care?? >>> >>> Yes, of course! >>> >>> Andre >

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abusive behavior by Google Inc
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 14 Apr '16

14 Apr '16

This isn't quite mailop but anyway - what specifically do you mean by replace here? Do you strip mime parts that you consider spam or malware and replace them with a suitable message? And is the gmail mta not reacting well to that? Examples would be interesting - certainly much more interesting than a vague rant. --srs > On 14-Apr-2016, at 7:17 PM, andre(a)ox.co.za wrote: > > Hello, > > Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com customers > saying: > > Technical details of permanent failure: > read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error > > What this means is: > > Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams / phish / > virus / spyware messages from the various filters > > and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that the > receivers email server is broken in some way.... > > This is truly EVIL of Google to do... > > As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM! > > Example: @209.85.218.43 > > http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816 > > > Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC technical > failure messages... > > Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to care?? > > Yes, of course! > > Andre >

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Abusive behavior by Google Inc
by andre＠ox.co.za 14 Apr '16

14 Apr '16

Hello, Incase anyone receives weird NON RFC bounces, from @gmail.com customers saying: Technical details of permanent failure: read error: generic::failed_precondition: read error (0): error What this means is: Google Inc does REPLACE the "Blocked for abuse / spam /scams / phish / virus / spyware messages from the various filters and sens a cryptic non RFC message to their users implying that the receivers email server is broken in some way.... This is truly EVIL of Google to do... As they, Google are the ones sending PHISH / VIRUS/ SCAMS / SPAM! Example: @209.85.218.43 http://www.scammed.by/scam.php?id=185816 Instead of SOLVING the abuse - Google chooses to send CRYPTIC technical failure messages... Because they are a monopoly and they are simply just too large to care?? Yes, of course! Andre

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LEA requests 2015
by Athina Fragkouli 13 Apr '16

13 Apr '16

Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC has published a transparency report that details the nature of the requests we received from law enforcement agencies (LEAs) in 2015. https://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-664 Kind regards, Athina Fragkouli Legal Counsel RIPE NCC

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Conspiracy and crime #48
by Marilson 08 Apr '16

08 Apr '16

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Volkswagen is the caricature of all of you. The agenda is "cheat if you can, if possible try don't get caught as Volkswagen, HSBC, Chartered, FIFA, Brazilian government, Petrobras, Odebrecht...” God save NSA! Long live the NSA! Fuck the spammers, scammers, ISPs and Registrars! From: toolbar(a)netcraft.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 12:41 PM To: marilson.mapa Subject: Thank you from Netcraft The URL you recently submitted has been accepted as a phishing site by Netcraft. 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Normalized URL: http://www.art-design.uz:80 Submission date: Fri Apr 8 16:16:56 2016 Server IP address: 62.209.133.18 Country: Uzbekistan Server: nginx Malicious files: 53 https://www.virustotal.com/en-gb/url/60cf806ef36cd83e6efeaf20dfea7a07cce066… URL: http://www.art-design.uz/ URL Scanner Result Quttera Malicious site Marilson HEADER Delivered-To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.182.44.36 with SMTP id b4csp19994obm; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.28.68.70 with SMTP id r67mr4134160wma.80.1460123625854; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <afdg(a)www.avvocatiforosmcv.com> Received: from smtplqs-out29.aruba.it (smtplqs-out29.aruba.it. [62.149.158.69]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wt3si13493944wjb.215.2016.04.08.06.53.45 for <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 08 Apr 2016 06:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 62.149.158.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of afdg(a)www.avvocatiforosmcv.com) client-ip=62.149.158.69; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 62.149.158.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of afdg(a)www.avvocatiforosmcv.com) smtp.mailfrom=afdg(a)www.avvocatiforosmcv.com Received: from webxc49s04.ad.aruba.it ([62.149.145.90]) by smartcmd03.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id fptl1s00n1xEgfS01ptlUt; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 15:53:45 +0200 Received: (qmail 13573 invoked by uid 19189154); 8 Apr 2016 13:53:45 -0000 To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Subject: Cadastramento X-PHP-Originating-Script: 19189154:index.php Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 15:53:45 +0200 From: Santander-GH <afdg(a)www.avvocatiforosmcv.com> Message-ID: <0b5f83583bdb7ab60b5f53ef0173eb8b(a)www.futurochateau.it> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" TEXT – hiperlink removed - URL http:// www.art-design.uz/ rt.php From: Santander-GH Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 10:53 AM To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Subject: Cadastramento XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From: Marilson Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:28 PM To: abuse(a)staff.aruba.it ; abuse(a)cdmon.com Cc: gmail-abuse(a)google.com ; mail-abuse(a)cert.br ; reportphishing(a)apwg.org Subject: Conspiracy and crime This must be the millionth phishing that I get of this provider - Aruba.it - managed by motherfuckers. Criminal psychopaths. And gmail-google and Cert.br, partners of this criminal activity, do nothing. Psychopaths greedy. Mobsters. https://www.virustotal.com/en-gb/url/1aedbf1bd01aa36211bb92a638922849bfcc78… URL Scanner Result Netcraft Malicious site Fortinet Phishing site Kaspersky Phishing site -----Mensagem Original----- From: toolbar(a)netcraft.com Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 5:36 PM To: marilson.mapa Subject: Thank you from Netcraft The URL you recently submitted has been accepted as a phishing site by Netcraft. URL: http:// www. hospital-macarena.com/ nf.php Netcraft As you all will keep practicing crime and protecting criminals without legal consequences, with your government pretending nothing see, to ensure the billing and the jobs of the natives, I suggest taking this phishing spam, to print and wipe your ass, incompetents of shit! You are all part of the same gang of criminals, specialists in irritate and steal money from the planet's population, and with the knowledge and blessing of your governments and sociopaths security forces. The lack of ethics, turpitude, the rascality, greed and lack of respect for people shows a rotten globalized economy where even the ISIS is a lesser evil, much smaller. Volkswagen and HSBC are the caricature of all of you. Fuck all of you! Marilson HEADER Delivered-To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.182.44.36 with SMTP id b4csp375487obm; Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:41:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.194.205.138 with SMTP id lg10mr6118887wjc.153.1459532459975; Fri, 01 Apr 2016 10:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <faze_postmaster(a)ristorantepizzeriacasanova.comsaiserramenti.com> Received: from smtplqs-out29.aruba.it (smtplqs-out29.aruba.it. [62.149.158.69]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v3si17901444wjf.31.2016.04.01.10.40.59 for <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com> (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 01 Apr 2016 10:40:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 62.149.158.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of faze_postmaster(a)ristorantepizzeriacasanova.comsaiserramenti.com) client-ip=62.149.158.69; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 62.149.158.69 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of faze_postmaster(a)ristorantepizzeriacasanova.comsaiserramenti.com) smtp.mailfrom=faze_postmaster(a)ristorantepizzeriacasanova.comsaiserramenti.com Received: from webxc55s03.ad.aruba.it ([62.149.145.127]) by smartcmd03.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id d5gz1s00w2l8Z9J015gzp0; Fri, 01 Apr 2016 19:40:59 +0200 Received: (qmail 47889 invoked by uid 19142460); 1 Apr 2016 17:40:59 -0000 To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Subject: Santander-NET X-PHP-Originating-Script: 19142460:index.php Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:40:59 +0200 From: "COMUNICADO." <faze_postmaster(a)ristorantepizzeriacasanova.comsaiserramenti.com> Message-ID: <808a17e0f1497ac6c4edf17c37e9decb(a)www.asdjacquescousteau.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: PHPMailer [version 1.73] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" TEXT URL http:// www. hospital-macarena.com/ nf.php From: COMUNICADO. Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 2:40 PM To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Subject: Santander-NET XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX From: Marilson Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 1:02 PM To: abuse(a)staff.aruba.it ; info(a)colombiahosting.com.co Cc: gmail-abuse(a)google.com ; mail-abuse(a)cert.br ; crime.internet(a)dpf.gov.br Subject: Conspiracy and crime Gentlemen, You are practicing crime sending phishing - http:// zringenieriasa.com.co/ default. This phishing website is owned by ColombiaHosting S.A.S. VIRUSTOTAL: https://www.virustotal.com/en-gb/url/5529e29a93e1d37b3a77b29dfb6ec06808c5e2… URL Scanner Result CRDF Malicious site Netcraft Malicious site Opera Malicious site Sophos Malicious site Fortinet Phishing site Kaspersky Phishing site As you all will keep practicing crime and protecting criminals without legal consequences, with your government pretending nothing see, to ensure the billing and the jobs of the natives, I suggest taking this phishing spam, to print and wipe your ass, incompetents of shit! So Aruba.it, I don’t care if the criminal is using your hostname and IP – smtplqs-out34.aruba.it IP 62.149.158.74 - to send scam. But, shame on you! What matters is who is hosting the phishing website practicing scam and stealing financial data from incautious people. You are all part of the same gang of criminals, specialists in irritate and steal money from the planet's population, and with the knowledge and blessing of your governments and sociopaths security forces. The lack of ethics, turpitude, the rascality, greed and lack of respect for people shows a rotten globalized economy where even the ISIS is a lesser evil, much smaller. Volkswagen and HSBC are the caricature of all of you. Marilson HEADER Delivered-To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Received: by 10.31.194.70 with SMTP id s67csp2289994vkf; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.28.99.6 with SMTP id x6mr22382468wmb.46.1458664233774; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <hosting.windows(a)aruba.it> Received: from smtplqs-out34.aruba.it (smtplqs-out34.aruba.it. [62.149.158.74]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h12si19235152wme.92.2016.03.22.09.30.33 for <marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com>; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:30:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of hosting.windows(a)aruba.it designates 62.149.158.74 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.149.158.74; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of hosting.windows(a)aruba.it designates 62.149.158.74 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hosting.windows(a)aruba.it Received: from websn1s056.aruba.it ([31.11.32.66]) by smartcmd04.ad.aruba.it with bizsmtp id Z4WZ1s0041Rc5db014WZAP; Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:30:33 +0100 Received: from websn1s056 ([127.0.0.1]) by websn1s056.aruba.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(8.5.9600.16384); Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:30:32 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 17:30:32 +0100 Subject: Prezado(a) marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com | Protocolo: [13448] To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com From: Suporte ltaÃº <post26432> Reply-To:Suporte ltaÃº <post26432> X-Mailer: Interspire5.2.14MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-Path: hosting.windows(a)aruba.it Message-ID: <WEBSN1S056qGngOZ2L30000f3af(a)websn1s056.aruba.it> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Mar 2016 16:30:32.0972 (UTC) FILETIME=[27C5D4C0:01D18458] TEXT – URL http:// zringenieriasa.com.co/ default From: post26432 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:30 PM To: marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com Subject: Prezado(a) marilson.mapa(a)gmail.com | Protocolo: [13448] 10th March 2016

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Bogus routes from the Ukraine
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

This is a post that should be of fairly general interest - and a reminder not to take every prefix a peer sends you at face value. http://research.dyn.com/2016/03/ukraine-emerges-as-bogus-routing-source/ -- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists(a)gmail.com)

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 53, Issue 27
by Marilson 12 Mar '16

12 Mar '16

Denis wrote: >> I was not making any decision just expressing an opinion just as Elvis >> expressed his opinion on my implementation :) Randy Bush replied: > your opinion was of elvis not his position.? this is called ad homina, > which you seem to repeat Tell me Mr Bush, when you wrote, about me, at Fri, 04 Mar 2016 08:28:10 -0800 >>> and i always love ad hominem attacks; a sure sign of a loser. were you marking your position or insulting a wg member? Sander Steffann wrote: > Excuse me, but you do not get to decide that a fellow working group > member's contribution does not carry much weight. That is the working > group chairs' job when deciding on consensus, and from experience I know > that even the chairs only do that in very rare circumstances. Consensus is > based on content and supporting arguments, not on whether you judge > somebody worthy... Whenever someone attacks the status quo, the keepers of this status quo, care to disqualify morally who requires changes. Obviously you guys do not have enough moral stature to give moral lesson anyone. > Consensus is based on content and supporting arguments, not on whether you > judge somebody worthy... My complaints, my arguments, against abuse, were blocked, thrown in the trash by the status quo guardians. Who put the finger on the wound will be persecuted and disqualified. What remains is the certainty that we are not greedy psychopaths and want an ethical and honest email marketing. Marilson -----Mensagem Original----- From: anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2016 1:29 AM To: anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net Subject: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 53, Issue 27 Send anti-abuse-wg mailing list submissions to anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to anti-abuse-wg-request(a)ripe.net You can reach the person managing the list at anti-abuse-wg-owner(a)ripe.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of anti-abuse-wg digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 (Sander Steffann) 2. Fw: [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 (ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk) 3. Re: Fw: [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 (Brian Nisbet) 4. Re: [db-wg] Fw: objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 (ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 16:54:34 +0100 From: Sander Steffann <sander(a)steffann.nl> To: denis <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Database WG <db-wg(a)ripe.net>, "anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net> Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 Message-ID: <BECAB65B-1EAB-477C-A3EC-4E1224ADE378(a)steffann.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Hello Denis, > Sorry Elvis but you are neither a software engineer nor a regular user > inputting data into the RIPE Database. So your unsubstantiated statement > of 'poor' does not carry much weight. Excuse me, but you do not get to decide that a fellow working group member's contribution does not carry much weight. That is the working group chairs' job when deciding on consensus, and from experience I know that even the chairs only do that in very rare circumstances. Consensus is based on content and supporting arguments, not on whether you judge somebody worthy... Cheers, Sander

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Fw: [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01
by ripedenis＠yahoo.co.uk 12 Mar '16

12 Mar '16

Sorry I hit reply instead of reply-all... ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk" <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> To: Sander Steffann <sander(a)steffann.nl> Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016, 17:06 Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 Hi Sander I was not making any decision just expressing an opinion just as Elvis expressed his opinion on my implementation :) cheersdenis From: Sander Steffann <sander(a)steffann.nl> To: denis <ripedenis(a)yahoo.co.uk> Cc: Database WG <db-wg(a)ripe.net>; "anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net> Sent: Friday, 11 March 2016, 16:54 Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [db-wg] objection to RIPE policy proposal 2016-01 Hello Denis, > Sorry Elvis but you are neither a software engineer nor a regular user inputting data into the RIPE Database. So your unsubstantiated statement of 'poor' does not carry much weight. Excuse me, but you do not get to decide that a fellow working group member's contribution does not carry much weight. That is the working group chairs' job when deciding on consensus, and from experience I know that even the chairs only do that in very rare circumstances. Consensus is based on content and supporting arguments, not on whether you judge somebody worthy... Cheers, Sander

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