Colleagues,
Once again, thank you for your input and discussion regarding proposal 2017-02.
The Chairs have reviewed the various points raised and we feel that moving to the Concluding Phase of the PDP is the appropriate decision at this point. We believe that there is quite some support for the proposal and that the objections have either been dealt with or are not directly related to the substance of the proposal. This, to us, looks like rough consensus.
Since the we moved to the Review Phase on the 18th of January we had quite a few different inputs, which is great. A couple of these inputs were between the two parts of the Review Phase, but the opinions have been noted.
- There were quite a few straight-forward expressions of support from Sebastian Benoit, Thomas Hungenberg, Janos Zasako, Michele Neylon, Christoffer Dam Hansen, Wolfgang Tremmel, Name <phishing(a)storey.xxx>, Angel Gonzalez Berdasco, Sander Steffan and Karl-Josef Ziegler
- Chris Hills supported the proposal but did ask about a potential escalation mechanism in case of an email bouncing back. At the moment this is provided by https://www.ripe.net/contact-form/report-incorrect-contact-information-in-t…
- Jordi Palet Martinez, Andreas Worbs, Arash Naderpour, ox (and others) did express a wish for a more extensive set of checks including required human interaction, but they acknowledged general support for the proposal even without this.
- Erik Bais expressed some concerns in relation to a potential liability to the NCC. The NCC did not state any risk of a change of liability in their impact analysis and this has been confirmed after further conversation with them.
- Sascha Luck, Nick Hilliard and Malcolm Hutty expressed objections and a lack of support due to the possible implications of an LIR failing to enter appropriate abuse contacts in the DB. They, generally, felt the risk of resources being reclaimed due to this was disproportionate. In response to this it was clarified that no new procedure was being created by 2017-02. Firstly It should be noted that the methods explained by the NCC in their Impact Analysis are binding on them and would only be changed by agreement at a future point in time. As clarified during the discussion, an incorrect abuse contact would trigger attempts by the NCC to contact the LIR to resolve the issue. Following this, it would be actions of the resource holder that could lead to the activation of the closure procedure - such as refusing to provide correct abuse contact information or remaining unresponsive over a longer period. It is felt by the Co-Chairs that objections to the relevant procedures (Closure of Members, Deregistration of Internet Resources and Legacy Internet Resources) should be raised in the with the Executive Board and/or the relevant RIPE Working Group and are not relevant objections to proposal 2017-02.
- Alexander Isavnin agreed with the disproportionality and also felt that the proposal would not do enough to stop abuse. Given the NCC's input that they feel the proposal will greatly aid the ARC process and the generally incremental nature of process change, this objection is not felt sufficient to disrupt the rough consensus.
- Gert Doering remained steadfastly neutral throughout.
- Troy Mursch did not clearly express his opinion one way or the other during the Review Phase, but the Co-Chairs have interpreted his comments as broadly in support of the proposal.
- Richard Clayton's comments in regards to the usefulness of occasional checks for abuse addresses have also been interpreted as being broadly in support of the proposal.
- Rob Evans and Luis E. Muñoz commented, but did not clearly support or oppose the proposal
Please let the WG know if you have any last comments on this proposal.
Thanks,
Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG
Brian Nisbet
Network Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
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Dear colleagues,
Policy proposal 2017-02, "Regular abuse-c Validation", is now in Concluding Phase.
The goal of this proposal is to give the RIPE NCC a mandate to regularly validate "abuse-mailbox:" information and to follow up in cases where the attribute is deemed to be incorrect.
The WG Chairs have declared that rough consensus has been reached and the proposal will now move to Last Call.
As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week Concluding Phase is to give an opportunity to present well-justified objections for those who missed the previous two phases and wish to oppose the proposal.
Any objection must be made by 25 May 2018 and must be supported by an explanation.
If no substantive objections are raised by the end of Last Call, the proposal will complete the PDP and will be evaluated by the WG Chairs for consensus.
You can find the full proposal at:
https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2017-02
Please e-mail any final comments about this proposal to <anti-abuse-wg(a)ripe.net> before 25 May 2018.
Regards,
Marco Schmidt
Policy Officer
RIPE NCC
Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
Colleagues,
Here is the draft agenda for our meeting in Marseille. The meeting will take place on Thursday 17th May at 11:00 CEST in the Side Room on Level G.
We still have a small amount of time left on the agenda for any other matters that people wish to raise.
A. Administrative Matters
* Welcome
* Scribe, Jabber, Stenography
* Microphone Etiquette
* Approve Minutes from RIPE 75
* Finalise agenda
B. Update
* B1. Working Group Chair Selection
* B1. Recent List Discussion
C. Policies -
* C1. 2017-02 (Regular abuse-c Validation)
D. Interactions -
* D1. Global Abuse Community Updates - Tobias Knecht
E. Presentation -
* E1.
X. A.O.B.
Z. Agenda for RIPE 77
Brian Nisbet
Network Operations Manager
HEAnet CLG, Ireland's National Education and Research Network
1st Floor, 5 George's Dock, IFSC, Dublin D01 X8N7, Ireland
+35316609040 brian.nisbet(a)heanet.ie www.heanet.ie
Registered in Ireland, No. 275301. CRA No. 20036270
Hello everybody,
as "the other" co-chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group I want to inform
everybody here on the list, that Brians term is coming to an end and we'll
have an election at the next RIPE Meeting in Marseille.
Brian told me that he will be happy to serve another term if that'll be the
communities decision.
In case you'd like to propose yourself or any other candidate, please
contact us or me via email latest by Wednesday, May 16th, 2018.
I
f there is any questions about the process, please feel free to reach out
to us directly or here on the mailinglist.
Thanks and see you all in Marseille.
Tobias
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