February 2017 - anti-abuse-wg

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking abuse/phishing/malware email content
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 28 Feb '17

28 Feb '17

On 28/02/17, 6:00 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net on behalf of andre(a)ox.co.za> wrote: Or is the data in DUL free? and am I an idiot as I can download it somewhere? Andre, asks, hopefully... You can’t download it. You can use it for free as a DNS block list – at low / limited volumes of the sort a personal mailserver generates. (And my personal server has a rather high traffic because of some linux user group and other open source lists that it hosts) https://www.spamhaus.org/faq/section/DNSBL%20Usage#220 --srs

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Seeking abuse/phishing/malware email content
by Ross Dour 28 Feb '17

28 Feb '17

Hello everyone, I've been a subscriber to this mailing list for some time now and wanted to put a request for assistance to any members of the group. I'm seeking large data sets of abuse emails - to be more specific, I am interested in access to spam emails, phishing emails, malware emails. My interest is for legitimate and commercial purposes. Our company provides brand protection services to a variety of brands around the world. Our interest here is to detect malicious content within emails and email attachments to catalogue and where possible, take action and remove the content in collaboration with the responsible content hosts. Ideally, I would like to work in continued partnership with anyone who was interested in helping us combat abuse but I am also willing and able to take any one-time data dumps that people may have. We already partner with a large number of providers in this way and in doing so, we can help them combat malicious content in their environments more efficiently and effectively. I am happy to take any responses through the mailing list or alternatively I'm happy for you to email me directly if you're interested in working with us. Best regards, Ross Dour Chief Operating Officer FraudWatch International e: rossd(a)fraudwatchinternational.com This email and any attachments may be confidential and also privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender and delete all copies of the transmission along with any attachments immediately. You should not copy or use it for any purpose, nor describe the contents to any other person.

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Seeking abuse/phishing/malware email content
by Suresh Ramasubramanian 28 Feb '17

28 Feb '17

On 28/02/17, 5:22 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" <anti-abuse-wg-bounces(a)ripe.net on behalf of andre(a)ox.co.za> wrote: > and; Does anyone have an updated list of dynamic IP ranges > cable/fibre/etc ? Yeah, there’s this org that quite a lot of people here seem to hate, though they’re wildly popular in the real antispam world. Spamhaus, they’re called, you might want to take a look at their DUL.

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Abuse Measurement Paper
by Brian Nisbet 27 Feb '17

27 Feb '17

Colleagues, Presented without comment, but it is likely some of you may find this interesting. Rotten Apples or Bad Harvest? What We Are Measuring When We Are Measuring Abuse SAMANEH TAJALIZADEHKHOOB, Delft University of Technology RAINER BÖHME, Innsbruck University CARLOS GAÑÁN, Delft University of Technology MACIEJ KORCZYNSKI ´ , Delft University of Technology MICHEL VAN EETEN, Delft University of Technology https://arxiv.org/pdf/1702.01624.pdf Brian

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an ISP can't do anything?
by denis 22 Feb '17

22 Feb '17

HI It seems like XS4ALL is not able to do anything about being blacklisted. Obviously the message about handling abuse is not getting through.... cheers denis co-chair DB-WG -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Feedback Werkingproduct (Email-Id: 6483239) Date: 2017-02-20 09:51 From: "XS4ALL Helpdesk - " <helpdesk(a)xs4all.nl> To: """denis""" <dw100uk(a)xs4all.nl> Dear Denis, Thank you for your e-mails. From your e-mails I understand that you are now able to receive e-mails from a mailinglist. But it isn't possible to answer it because it looks like xs4all.nl is blacklisted. Our mailserver and domainname is used by all our customers. If a third party is blocking these because they are on a blacklist we cann't do anything. Kind regards, Technische Helpdesk XS4ALL Internet bv Internet: www.xs4all.nl Contact: www.xs4all.nl/contact Telefoon: 020 398 76 66 Wist u dat het Service Centre is veranderd? Service Centre is nu Mijn XS4ALL. Eenvoudig facturen bekijken of een wijziging indienen? Kijk op: https://mijn.xs4all.nl/.

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision
by ox 18 Feb '17

18 Feb '17

Now, I am replying to myself, and doing so, for the purposes of an abuse complaint notification. How this works: 1. I do understand that many of the multiple replies I am receiving from the abusive person, is not on the emailing list itself. 2. The reason I am posting this on the emailing list is for the purpose of discussing that the correct reason for 'blocking" / unsubscribing anyone - has nothing to do with censorship. It is only simple abuse. So, if we are to have any discussions, it should be about https://www.google.com/search?q=netiquette MAILING LIST ABUSE! and not, "WG Chair Mailing List Decision" 3. I am also doing this so that the sender understands clearly that his or her emials to me, off list, are UNSOLICITED and will now be reported to SpamCop and many other RBL's as SPAM I think this is my $1 :) Andre On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 07:49:52 +0200 ox <andre(a)ox.co.za> wrote: > > On any mailing list it is not acceptable to reply to yourself. > https://www.google.com/search?q=netiquette > > Multiple times, doing that same unacceptable thing: Is abuse. > (and abusive behavior) > > No opinion, simple fact. > > This being an abuse discussion list - it is an abuse of an abuse > emailing list :) > > Where the abuser is replying to him/her self multiple times and also > proposing that email and smtp is no longer used/in use > > Now, that is funny! > > > On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 05:21:18 +0000 > HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > basically, in your logic, all the mpaa has to do is to call the > > piratebay spammers, and people should start pulling plugs. lol. > > it's funny how your silly old protocol would have such a 'special > > status'. > > > > see the normal procedure for pulling plugs is : go to some > > applicable court and prove they break some applicable law, also > > don't forget that your problem is with the end-user and their > > activity, not the isp. > > > > no 'dnsbl's involved in that process anywhere. > > > > ofcourse, should people do such things to protect against 'spam' > > they also should protect the population of thailand against porn, > > and protect china against falun gong, and protect the islamic state > > against 'jews and cursader' propaganda. which would mean that on the > > larger picture; there would not be much content left. oh wait i > > forgot to ban the nazis for the communists and the communists for > > the nazis and i didn't even mention to ban everything containing > > pictures of, or advertising dead animals as food for the vegans. > > > > when we're done with all that, there won't be much internet left. > > > > sooooo... basically, just fix your protocol. as all that anti-spam > > shit you came up with so far just sums up as : illegal violations of > > net neutrality laws, as well as violating the provider immunity of > > carriers and isps through blackmail and extortion. (yes breach of > > contracts = financial impact = extortion, more so than robbing a > > grandma for $10, as it's usually more like $100k/yr or more + > > manhours) > > > > also everything 'ip based' you came up with over the past decades, > > just fucked up the reliability and speed of smtp and made the entire > > userbase switch to skype and facebook. i'm sure mickeysoft and > > suckerberg thank you for that. lol. > > > > should you need some consultancy on how to re-design smtp, my > > hourly tariff starts at EUR 2500.-/hr. quite sure you can find > > someone cheaper by outsourcing it... i just give you advise for > > free because YOU LOT ARE A PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS with your > > constant nagging about what-goes-on-within a CONCEPT protocol from > > the 1960s. > > > > > > On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:07, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > > btw congratutions to all of you that tried to censor me for > > > showing such a complete lack of understanding of the antigue (And > > > very simple, compared to habbo or skype) protocol you are trying > > > to 'protect' that you clearly can't even figure out how to stop > > > someone from receiving mailman (an open source project, and one of > > > the most simpler programs out there, working on one of the most > > > simplest protocols ever) messages... nice try tho. > > > > > > makes clear why in 40 years you never managed to get something as > > > simple as a friends list in your protocol of choice. you clearly > > > can't even configure some open source software to your wishes. > > > > > > the incompetence is showing through on all levels. > > > > > > may we remind you that you're talking to the guy that made angela > > > merkel's email route over north korea. tyvm. (my guess is that is > > > why the occupational forces of former germany are kinda pissed off > > > with me but so be it ;) lol. > > > > > > > > > On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > > > wrote: > > >> also, spam is not an actual 'problem'... unless you also block > > >> tv stations that have advertisements... > > >> > > >> which is about, all of them, if the bbc does not have such in > > >> such a direct way, they hide their propaganda as 'news' but it's > > >> still there. > > >> > > >> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:01, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > > >> wrote: > > >>> whereas spamhaus and co keep claiming to 'fight spam' the > > >>> statistics on their listing speak books... > > >>> > > >>> it's more like 'fighting the sale of trademark infringing goods > > >>> as by the definitions of the uk' > > >>> > > >>> 'fighting the spread of spied-upon military and diplomatic > > >>> secrets of the uk and it's allies' etc. > > >>> > > >>> all of that while pretending it's spam or 'spam supporters'. > > >>> that wikileaks listing was not an accident but a regular > > >>> occurence in the statistics (yes spamhaus, we can scrape and > > >>> datamine too ;) > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:59, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> now why the crap would someone try to 'circumvent' tons of > > >>>> mechanisms etc and hire servers at companies that 'don't ask > > >>>> questions' but DO send appropriate invoices (by lack of much > > >>>> competion -with balls- ;)... when they can just buy google > > >>>> adwords for far less, which does get around a 1:1000 SIGNUP > > >>>> rate... (never mind the clickthrough rate ;)... > > >>>> > > >>>> or for the same price, just get targetted tv advertisements, > > >>>> really, the only people i see that would still in their right > > >>>> mind send out smtp spam, are the people pretending to 'fight' > > >>>> it as an excuse to keep their political trade policy censorship > > >>>> tool supported by the naive nerds. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:56, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>> btw notice that i can safely say such things, as none of our > > >>>>> clients are 'spammers'... for the simple reason; the fictional > > >>>>> guy that would make millions on 'spamming' is a myth kept > > >>>>> alive by self-declared 'non profit anti-spam organisations' > > >>>>> that de-facto are just political cyber sabotage groups to get > > >>>>> content and even entire providers abroad shut down by naive > > >>>>> nerds without court orders... by just shouting 'spam' alot, > > >>>>> and therefore, also the most likely suspect to be sending out > > >>>>> that spam, as real life advertisers, would consider the very > > >>>>> low clickthrough rate of smtp (as seriously, it's really just > > >>>>> you guys still using it, the rest of the world takes a fresh > > >>>>> prepaid sim and creates a new gmail account every time a > > >>>>> signup is needed on some silly website that won't take sms > > >>>>> messages directly ;) - and at that, signups, and ripe, are > > >>>>> the only remaing legitimate use of smtp. nobody in the world > > >>>>> still uses that for actual communications.... getting a > > >>>>> reaction from let's say the german government or the belgium > > >>>>> toll road company over smtp takes... 3-4 months... by fax > > >>>>> machine both take less than 1 day. (in as far as we don't > > >>>>> just have people there in skype ;) > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:50, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> spam... was stopped... a looong time ago... as in, i have > > >>>>>> not seen any (persistent) spam that lasted longer than... on > > >>>>>> second thought... 'delete contact' on any other protocol ;) > > >>>>>> the only place where it continues to exist, is YOUR protocol. > > >>>>>> so the way to stop it is to do the same. hire some developers > > >>>>>> and adjust the RFC and software of smtp to get a friends list > > >>>>>> and 'contact requests'. it fixes things. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> YOUR approach however is more like the 'prohibition' in the > > >>>>>> usa of the 1920s. it never stopped anyone from getting drunk, > > >>>>>> it did however facilitate al-capone. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> which is the thing that should have stopped to exist in 2017. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> (probably it already should have stopped to exist in 1993 ;) > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:02, ox wrote: > > >>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:22:55 +0000 > > >>>>>>> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk(a)xs4all.nl> > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>>>> as for droning on... so far, this mailinglist, for the > > >>>>>>>> past month or > > >>>>>>>> so has been: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> and 1 mail: law enforcement requests to the ripe ncc (a > > >>>>>>>> total of 4 in > > >>>>>>>> 2016) - no replies whatsoever to that one. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> then more: spam spam spam spam spam. > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> funny... > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Actually no. Spam is a problem of many decades. It is a > > >>>>>>> higher level > > >>>>>>> service and SHOULD NOT EXIST in 2017. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> The simple and salient truth is: If spam abuse is stopped > > >>>>>>> then everything else falls into place. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> If you cannot route/deliver/accept email - Even if you are > > >>>>>>> a Tier 1 or Google.com > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> You are screwed. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Of course, other abuse issues, as below my name, are just > > >>>>>>> as important > > >>>>>>> and are also frequently discussed... > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> my 2c > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Andre > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> cuz we thought it should be more like 'ddos ddos ddos' > > >>>>>>>> 'hijacked prefix' 'ddos' 'mass hack' 'ddos' 'someone > > >>>>>>>> switched off the electricity' 'someone cut some > > >>>>>>>> fibers'...'spamhaus illegally scraped > > >>>>>>>> the ripe db for memberdata to blackmail them with on their > > >>>>>>>> criminal > > >>>>>>>> slander site' 'the americans illegally 'seized' 20000 > > >>>>>>>> domains that are not even in their territory and it's time > > >>>>>>>> to move icann out of the usa for that reason' -that's > > >>>>>>>> network abuse- spam is not. (and the > > >>>>>>>> latter only if we consider ripe and it's db a part of the > > >>>>>>>> network itself) > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > >

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision
by ox 18 Feb '17

18 Feb '17

On any mailing list it is not acceptable to reply to yourself. https://www.google.com/search?q=netiquette Multiple times, doing that same unacceptable thing: Is abuse. (and abusive behavior) No opinion, simple fact. This being an abuse discussion list - it is an abuse of an abuse emailing list :) Where the abuser is replying to him/her self multiple times and also proposing that email and smtp is no longer used/in use Now, that is funny! On Sat, 18 Feb 2017 05:21:18 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > basically, in your logic, all the mpaa has to do is to call the > piratebay spammers, and people should start pulling plugs. lol. it's > funny how your silly old protocol would have such a 'special status'. > > see the normal procedure for pulling plugs is : go to some applicable > court and prove they break some applicable law, also don't forget > that your problem is with the end-user and their activity, not the > isp. > > no 'dnsbl's involved in that process anywhere. > > ofcourse, should people do such things to protect against 'spam' they > also should protect the population of thailand against porn, and > protect china against falun gong, and protect the islamic state > against 'jews and cursader' propaganda. which would mean that on the > larger picture; there would not be much content left. oh wait i > forgot to ban the nazis for the communists and the communists for the > nazis and i didn't even mention to ban everything containing pictures > of, or advertising dead animals as food for the vegans. > > when we're done with all that, there won't be much internet left. > > sooooo... basically, just fix your protocol. as all that anti-spam > shit you came up with so far just sums up as : illegal violations of > net neutrality laws, as well as violating the provider immunity of > carriers and isps through blackmail and extortion. (yes breach of > contracts = financial impact = extortion, more so than robbing a > grandma for $10, as it's usually more like $100k/yr or more + > manhours) > > also everything 'ip based' you came up with over the past decades, > just fucked up the reliability and speed of smtp and made the entire > userbase switch to skype and facebook. i'm sure mickeysoft and > suckerberg thank you for that. lol. > > should you need some consultancy on how to re-design smtp, my hourly > tariff starts at EUR 2500.-/hr. quite sure you can find someone > cheaper by outsourcing it... i just give you advise for free because > YOU LOT ARE A PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS with your constant nagging > about what-goes-on-within a CONCEPT protocol from the 1960s. > > > On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:07, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > btw congratutions to all of you that tried to censor me for showing > > such a complete lack of understanding of the antigue (And very > > simple, compared to habbo or skype) protocol you are trying to > > 'protect' that you clearly can't even figure out how to stop > > someone from receiving mailman (an open source project, and one of > > the most simpler programs out there, working on one of the most > > simplest protocols ever) messages... nice try tho. > > > > makes clear why in 40 years you never managed to get something as > > simple as a friends list in your protocol of choice. you clearly > > can't even configure some open source software to your wishes. > > > > the incompetence is showing through on all levels. > > > > may we remind you that you're talking to the guy that made angela > > merkel's email route over north korea. tyvm. (my guess is that is > > why the occupational forces of former germany are kinda pissed off > > with me but so be it ;) lol. > > > > > > On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:03, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > >> also, spam is not an actual 'problem'... unless you also block tv > >> stations that have advertisements... > >> > >> which is about, all of them, if the bbc does not have such in such > >> a direct way, they hide their propaganda as 'news' but it's still > >> there. > >> > >> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 05:01, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > >> wrote: > >>> whereas spamhaus and co keep claiming to 'fight spam' the > >>> statistics on their listing speak books... > >>> > >>> it's more like 'fighting the sale of trademark infringing goods > >>> as by the definitions of the uk' > >>> > >>> 'fighting the spread of spied-upon military and diplomatic > >>> secrets of the uk and it's allies' etc. > >>> > >>> all of that while pretending it's spam or 'spam supporters'. that > >>> wikileaks listing was not an accident but a regular occurence in > >>> the statistics (yes spamhaus, we can scrape and datamine too ;) > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:59, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > >>> wrote: > >>>> now why the crap would someone try to 'circumvent' tons of > >>>> mechanisms etc and hire servers at companies that 'don't ask > >>>> questions' but DO send appropriate invoices (by lack of much > >>>> competion -with balls- ;)... when they can just buy google > >>>> adwords for far less, which does get around a 1:1000 SIGNUP > >>>> rate... (never mind the clickthrough rate ;)... > >>>> > >>>> or for the same price, just get targetted tv advertisements, > >>>> really, the only people i see that would still in their right > >>>> mind send out smtp spam, are the people pretending to 'fight' it > >>>> as an excuse to keep their political trade policy censorship > >>>> tool supported by the naive nerds. > >>>> > >>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:56, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> btw notice that i can safely say such things, as none of our > >>>>> clients are 'spammers'... for the simple reason; the fictional > >>>>> guy that would make millions on 'spamming' is a myth kept alive > >>>>> by self-declared 'non profit anti-spam organisations' that > >>>>> de-facto are just political cyber sabotage groups to get > >>>>> content and even entire providers abroad shut down by naive > >>>>> nerds without court orders... by just shouting 'spam' alot, and > >>>>> therefore, also the most likely suspect to be sending out that > >>>>> spam, as real life advertisers, would consider the very low > >>>>> clickthrough rate of smtp (as seriously, it's really just you > >>>>> guys still using it, the rest of the world takes a fresh > >>>>> prepaid sim and creates a new gmail account every time a signup > >>>>> is needed on some silly website that won't take sms messages > >>>>> directly ;) - and at that, signups, and ripe, are the only > >>>>> remaing legitimate use of smtp. nobody in the world still uses > >>>>> that for actual communications.... getting a reaction from > >>>>> let's say the german government or the belgium toll road > >>>>> company over smtp takes... 3-4 months... by fax machine both > >>>>> take less than 1 day. (in as far as we don't just have people > >>>>> there in skype ;) > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:50, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> spam... was stopped... a looong time ago... as in, i have not > >>>>>> seen any (persistent) spam that lasted longer than... on > >>>>>> second thought... 'delete contact' on any other protocol ;) > >>>>>> the only place where it continues to exist, is YOUR protocol. > >>>>>> so the way to stop it is to do the same. hire some developers > >>>>>> and adjust the RFC and software of smtp to get a friends list > >>>>>> and 'contact requests'. it fixes things. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> YOUR approach however is more like the 'prohibition' in the > >>>>>> usa of the 1920s. it never stopped anyone from getting drunk, > >>>>>> it did however facilitate al-capone. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> which is the thing that should have stopped to exist in 2017. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (probably it already should have stopped to exist in 1993 ;) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 18 فبر, 2017 ص 04:02, ox wrote: > >>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:22:55 +0000 > >>>>>>> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > >>>>>>>> as for droning on... so far, this mailinglist, for the past > >>>>>>>> month or > >>>>>>>> so has been: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> and 1 mail: law enforcement requests to the ripe ncc (a > >>>>>>>> total of 4 in > >>>>>>>> 2016) - no replies whatsoever to that one. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> then more: spam spam spam spam spam. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> funny... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Actually no. Spam is a problem of many decades. It is a > >>>>>>> higher level > >>>>>>> service and SHOULD NOT EXIST in 2017. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The simple and salient truth is: If spam abuse is stopped > >>>>>>> then everything else falls into place. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> If you cannot route/deliver/accept email - Even if you are a > >>>>>>> Tier 1 or Google.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> You are screwed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Of course, other abuse issues, as below my name, are just as > >>>>>>> important > >>>>>>> and are also frequently discussed... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> my 2c > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Andre > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> cuz we thought it should be more like 'ddos ddos ddos' > >>>>>>>> 'hijacked prefix' 'ddos' 'mass hack' 'ddos' 'someone > >>>>>>>> switched off the electricity' 'someone cut some > >>>>>>>> fibers'...'spamhaus illegally scraped > >>>>>>>> the ripe db for memberdata to blackmail them with on their > >>>>>>>> criminal > >>>>>>>> slander site' 'the americans illegally 'seized' 20000 > >>>>>>>> domains that are not even in their territory and it's time > >>>>>>>> to move icann out of the usa for that reason' -that's > >>>>>>>> network abuse- spam is not. (and the > >>>>>>>> latter only if we consider ripe and it's db a part of the > >>>>>>>> network itself) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > >

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision
by ox 17 Feb '17

17 Feb '17

On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:22:55 +0000 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk(a)xs4all.nl> wrote: > as for droning on... so far, this mailinglist, for the past month or > so has been: > > spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam spam > > and 1 mail: law enforcement requests to the ripe ncc (a total of 4 in > 2016) - no replies whatsoever to that one. > > then more: spam spam spam spam spam. > > funny... > Actually no. Spam is a problem of many decades. It is a higher level service and SHOULD NOT EXIST in 2017. The simple and salient truth is: If spam abuse is stopped then everything else falls into place. If you cannot route/deliver/accept email - Even if you are a Tier 1 or Google.com You are screwed. Of course, other abuse issues, as below my name, are just as important and are also frequently discussed... my 2c Andre > cuz we thought it should be more like 'ddos ddos ddos' 'hijacked > prefix' 'ddos' 'mass hack' 'ddos' 'someone switched off the > electricity' 'someone cut some fibers'...'spamhaus illegally scraped > the ripe db for memberdata to blackmail them with on their criminal > slander site' 'the americans illegally 'seized' 20000 domains that > are not even in their territory and it's time to move icann out of > the usa for that reason' -that's network abuse- spam is not. (and the > latter only if we consider ripe and it's db a part of the network > itself) > >

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision
by Marilson 17 Feb '17

17 Feb '17

Hi Shane, I used the KKK as a bad taste metaphor to match the previous KKKKKKK laugh. Look, *learn to live with the contradictory* does not mean that you have to accept any action... Note that this WG Chair Mailing List Decision is not discussing *actions* but ideas, comments and insults. What I wrote could also be said as follows, plagiarizing Evelyn B. Hall about Voltaire: I may not agree to any of the words you say, but I will defend to the death the right of you to say them. Censorship can not exist. It existed in the most negative periods of human history. We can not go back. Who use freedom of expression improperly, will answer for their actions in the courts. The WG is not a court, the co-chair is not a judge and the members are not a jury. I have stated that there are many ISPs who act as criminals and / or are accomplices to criminal customers. I can say that because I have proof. It is quite suspect someone claims should be banned from the group who are calling the ISPs of criminals. He should ask for evidence of this crime. Simply banishing, blocking, curtailing, is a fascist and suspicious attitude. But I will defend to the death the right of him to say it. Shane, I hope I have clarified my position better. Greetings Marilson From: Shane Kerr Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 10:41 AM To: Marilson Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision

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Re: [anti-abuse-wg] WG Chair Mailing List Decision
by Sascha Luck [ml] 17 Feb '17

17 Feb '17

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 04:22:55PM +0000, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: >cuz we thought it should be more like 'ddos ddos ddos' 'hijacked >prefix' 'ddos' 'mass hack' 'ddos' 'someone switched off the >electricity' 'someone cut some fibers'...'spamhaus illegally >scraped the ripe db for memberdata to blackmail them with on >their criminal slander site' 'the americans illegally 'seized' >20000 domains that are not even in their territory and it's time >to move icann out of the usa for that reason' -that's network Yup, agree, all this should be on-topic on this list, also censorship in general and in particular the antics of a "Tier 1" backbone provider who have taken it upon themselves to protect the world from TPB and/or Cloudflare... FWIW, prefix 'jacking has occasionally been discussed here. rgds, Sascha Luck

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