2007-01 implementation clarification
Hi, A customer has indicated to me that they want PI space for a business or project that is not incorporated. Under the new 2007-01 rules, what is the correct way to request PI? In UK law, a business might not be incorporated, but in such circumstances, the income and actions of the business are treated as the income and actions of the principal person behind the business. In such circumstances does this mean the individual should apply for PI? Previously I'd have advised to use the trading name to apply for PI, but under new rules I am aware that PI holders need to be able to sign contracts... The trading name might not be a legal entity able or willing to sign. They plan to multihome, their need for PI appears justified to me. Andy
Hi, On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 07:56:43PM +0000, Andy Davidson wrote:
A customer has indicated to me that they want PI space for a business or project that is not incorporated. Under the new 2007-01 rules, what is the correct way to request PI?
I'd actually bounce that question towards the hostmaster ("resource analyst") department - they should know (or be able to find out). I could tell you something about the legal framework in *Germany*, but that might not be useful at all in UK, so I won't try. Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 128645 SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi Andy, you can register a PI space for a person, not an organisation. This person should have a contract with LIR. The policy allows to do that. Monday, February 23, 2009, 8:56:43 PM, you wrote: AD> A customer has indicated to me that they want PI space for a business AD> or project that is not incorporated. Under the new 2007-01 rules, what AD> is the correct way to request PI? AD> In UK law, a business might not be incorporated, but in such AD> circumstances, the income and actions of the business are treated as AD> the income and actions of the principal person behind the business. AD> In such circumstances does this mean the individual should apply for PI? AD> Previously I'd have advised to use the trading name to apply for PI, AD> but under new rules I am aware that PI holders need to be able to sign AD> contracts... The trading name might not be a legal entity able or AD> willing to sign. AD> They plan to multihome, their need for PI appears justified to me. -- Sergey
Andy Davidson wrote:
Hi,
A customer has indicated to me that they want PI space for a business or project that is not incorporated. Under the new 2007-01 rules, what is the correct way to request PI?
In UK law, a business might not be incorporated,
My take on that one is that the applicant doesn't even have to be a "business". IP technology is agnostic to particular legal models and shapes - at least it should be.
but in such circumstances, the income and actions of the business are treated as the income and actions of the principal person behind the business. In such circumstances does this mean the individual should apply for PI?
In our neck of the wooods anyone is able to sign a contract, even as an individual. I don't see any reason why this should not be possible with the NCC?
Previously I'd have advised to use the trading name to apply for PI, but under new rules I am aware that PI holders need to be able to sign contracts... The trading name might not be a legal entity able or willing to sign.
They plan to multihome, their need for PI appears justified to me.
Andy
Wilfried
Dear Andy, Andy Davidson wrote:
Hi,
A customer has indicated to me that they want PI space for a business or project that is not incorporated. Under the new 2007-01 rules, what is the correct way to request PI?
In UK law, a business might not be incorporated, but in such circumstances, the income and actions of the business are treated as the income and actions of the principal person behind the business. In such circumstances does this mean the individual should apply for PI?
Previously I'd have advised to use the trading name to apply for PI, but under new rules I am aware that PI holders need to be able to sign contracts... The trading name might not be a legal entity able or willing to sign.
They plan to multihome, their need for PI appears justified to me.
This is correct, the applicant does not have to be an incorporated business. Independent Internet number resources will be assigned as long as the applicant's request is justified according to RIPE policy. RIPE Policies can be found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/index.html Best regards, Andrea Cima RIPE NCC
Andy
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Andrea Cima -
Andy Davidson -
Gert Doering -
Sergey Myasoedov -
Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet