*Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. Policy Proposal for discussion. Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under Sanctions in EU/US. This is necessary for direct influence on the side subjected to sanctions. This applies in particular to governmental and related organizations. For these purposes, for example, government and related companies of the state subject to sanctions are limited to control and access to Lirportal and Maintainers, and forcefully remove all objects operating under the ASN of these institutions. This will entail the impossibility of the state to carry out activities related to the use of IT technology, the Internet, the spread of propaganda and fakes, including (armies of bots from different IPs, cyber attacks initiated by the state, and much more) Since the RIPE NCC implements the decisions of the RIPE community, it is proposed to introduce a change in the Ripe policy related to the implementation of global and European sanctions. This policy can only be applied to states under sanctions. These states should not be able to obtain and use ASNs and IP addresses for government purposes. Ripe sanctions should not apply to ordinary users, since the total shutdown of all LIRs located inside the state under sanctions will lead to the inevitable transition to an internal network controlled by government services and deprive the population of communication with the outside world and information. *Alexey Shkittin*
Hi, On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote:
*Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.*
Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain.
Policy Proposal for discussion.
Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under Sanctions in EU/US.
NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement). See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Gert mentioned, '' NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement)'' Indeed, we can see in https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 ''As an organisation based in the Netherlands, the RIPE NCC must comply with EU sanctions. If we believe that a member or other resource holder is subject to EU sanctions, we freeze their resources in the RIPE Database'' As several Russian LIR starting with Yandex (exemple) do have a clear, publicly known, relationship / shareholders with sanctioned Russian individuals and Russian entities, as a LIR member I do suggest that RIPE NCC hold a proper emergency meeting on the matter. The report is made quarterly. There is now a situation of emergency that need a quick due diligence on the application of the EU sanctions on the resources hold by the Russian entities concerned by the EU sanctions, including transfer policy, access to RIPE database and services, routing, RDNS etc etc. and hopefully with more impact that the one mentioned in the last report. We all see the important use of allocated resources for massive DoS and other attacks, RIPE NCC shall support a clear limitation and use of the RIPE NCC services and resources of the Russian, Byelorussian LIRs (that are directly or indirectly , Byelorussian, Russian state owned or owned by listed sanctioned individuals). Side note: We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days. That is a good reason to freeze the resources a bit faster that usual. Taken into account the number of LIR that could also impact the whole budget for 2022, and I'm not sure the rest of the community will be happy to support... Again, we need to see a quick reaction from RIPE NCC, within days, not on a quarterly basis. Thank you. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu <https://www.brenac.eu/> +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. On 26/02/2022 10:07, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of gert@space.net> wrote: Hi, On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote: > *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* > > Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. > > Policy Proposal for discussion. > > Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of > internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under > Sanctions in EU/US. NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement). See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg
I have to say, even tho we are a new entity, we do support the calling of a potential emergency meeting to alteast discuss this. RIPE is an EU entity. We need to be clear on what levels we are following EU sanctions. On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 5:35 PM Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Gert mentioned, '' NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement)''
Indeed, we can see in https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 ''As an organisation based in the Netherlands, the RIPE NCC must comply with EU sanctions. If we believe that a member or other resource holder is subject to EU sanctions, we freeze their resources in the RIPE Database''
As several Russian LIR starting with Yandex (exemple) do have a clear, publicly known, relationship / shareholders with sanctioned Russian individuals and Russian entities, as a LIR member I do suggest that RIPE NCC hold a proper emergency meeting on the matter.
The report is made quarterly.
There is now a situation of emergency that need a quick due diligence on the application of the EU sanctions on the resources hold by the Russian entities concerned by the EU sanctions, including transfer policy, access to RIPE database and services, routing, RDNS etc etc. and hopefully with more impact that the one mentioned in the last report.
We all see the important use of allocated resources for massive DoS and other attacks, RIPE NCC shall support a clear limitation and use of the RIPE NCC services and resources of the Russian, Byelorussian LIRs (that are directly or indirectly , Byelorussian, Russian state owned or owned by listed sanctioned individuals).
Side note: We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days. That is a good reason to freeze the resources a bit faster that usual. Taken into account the number of LIR that could also impact the whole budget for 2022, and I'm not sure the rest of the community will be happy to support...
Again, we need to see a quick reaction from RIPE NCC, within days, not on a quarterly basis.
Thank you.
______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu <https://www.brenac.eu/> +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC.
On 26/02/2022 10:07, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" < address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of gert@space.net> wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote: > *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* > > Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. > > Policy Proposal for discussion. > > Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of > internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under > Sanctions in EU/US.
NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement).
See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report:
https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
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I don’t think the extend of sanctions compliance needs to be discussed. Obviously the RIPE NCC will need to comply with EU sanctions in full. An explanation from RIPE’s legal team on who will be affected may be useful, but I don’t think there would be a lot of value in a meeting as few aspects of this are under the community’s (or the RIPE NCC’s) control. Regarding “We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days.”, I don’t think this is true. There would be issues where payers or their banks are involved in sanctions, but not for unrelated Russian entities. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of Mathias Westerlund <mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> Date: Saturday, 26. February 2022 at 19:39 To: Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker <thomas@brenac.eu> Cc: Alexey Shkittin <alexey.shkittin@interlir.com>, RIPE Address Policy Working Group <address-policy-wg@ripe.net>, Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. I have to say, even tho we are a new entity, we do support the calling of a potential emergency meeting to alteast discuss this. RIPE is an EU entity. We need to be clear on what levels we are following EU sanctions. On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 5:35 PM Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net>> wrote: Gert mentioned, '' NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement)'' Indeed, we can see in https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 ''As an organisation based in the Netherlands, the RIPE NCC must comply with EU sanctions. If we believe that a member or other resource holder is subject to EU sanctions, we freeze their resources in the RIPE Database'' As several Russian LIR starting with Yandex (exemple) do have a clear, publicly known, relationship / shareholders with sanctioned Russian individuals and Russian entities, as a LIR member I do suggest that RIPE NCC hold a proper emergency meeting on the matter. The report is made quarterly. There is now a situation of emergency that need a quick due diligence on the application of the EU sanctions on the resources hold by the Russian entities concerned by the EU sanctions, including transfer policy, access to RIPE database and services, routing, RDNS etc etc. and hopefully with more impact that the one mentioned in the last report. We all see the important use of allocated resources for massive DoS and other attacks, RIPE NCC shall support a clear limitation and use of the RIPE NCC services and resources of the Russian, Byelorussian LIRs (that are directly or indirectly , Byelorussian, Russian state owned or owned by listed sanctioned individuals). Side note: We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days. That is a good reason to freeze the resources a bit faster that usual. Taken into account the number of LIR that could also impact the whole budget for 2022, and I'm not sure the rest of the community will be happy to support... Again, we need to see a quick reaction from RIPE NCC, within days, not on a quarterly basis. Thank you. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu <https://www.brenac.eu/> +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. On 26/02/2022 10:07, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net<mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> on behalf of gert@space.net<mailto:gert@space.net>> wrote: Hi, On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote: > *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* > > Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. > > Policy Proposal for discussion. > > Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of > internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under > Sanctions in EU/US. NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement). See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg
it would help me at least if folk giving legal opinions could make clear in what juristriction they are an actual lawyer? thanks. randy
None of us I guess, but most of us do have legal teams aside and the point is more to ensure that RIPE NCC do activate the application of the EU sanctions that apply to the Russian state at large rather to discuss the legality of the actual situation. Again, the main point is to ensure the speedy management of the current issue by RIPE NCC in line with its policies and the EU positions, not forgetting that we are here facing an unforeseen situation that will impact the whole RIPE NCC members community, both on a financial, ethical and technical point of view. It could have been a topic for the Roundtable meeting for Governments but it was on the 22nd, a bit too early. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/roundtable/roundtable-meeting-for-... Again I do ask RIPE NCC to urgently, with the relevant internal teams, do create an emergency task force to ensure in a swiftly manner its compliance with the EU positions. Being here a bit proactive. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu <https://www.brenac.eu/> +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. On 26/02/2022 20:06, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Randy Bush" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of randy@psg.com> wrote: it would help me at least if folk giving legal opinions could make clear in what juristriction they are an actual lawyer? thanks. randy -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg
Again, the main point is to ensure the speedy management of the current issue by RIPE NCC in line with its policies and the EU positions
knowing the ncc and its legal team a bit, i am confident they are doing so. not being a lawyer myself, my opinion on how and what they should do is not worth any pixels. [ fwiw, i taught in kyiv in the mid-'90s, am horrified for ukraïna and all of eastern europe and the world. as we, amerika, are demonstrating with trump, there are few animals as dangerous as a delusional wounded megalomaniac. ] randy
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Randy Bush -
Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker