Review of IPv6 policy goals
Hi all, In the last WG meeting (at the RIPE 83), there was a brief presentation from the chairs about the possible review of IPv6 policy goals. I recall there was at least 3-4 people that volunteered (included myself), but after that we didn't get any discussion in the list or among the people that volunteered. I've not seen any discussion in the list, neither the volunteers being in touch to start working on this, so I think we must move on somehow to get the work done. Could the volunteers confirm they are still willing to participate and we can find a way to organize the work together? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Heya. while i know and understand this is a call for the original volunteers to speak up, if there is a need for more people then i would personally like to volunteer, This was something discussed before we became members but as we are an ISP and MSP aiming to be 100% IPv6 native for all our customers this lies close to my heart and i hope that if you do need more people that you could accept someone very green to RIPE but very weilling to contribute. Regards, Mathias W. On 2022-03-16 10:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > > Hi all, > > In the last WG meeting (at the RIPE 83), there was a brief presentation from the chairs about the possible review of IPv6 policy goals. > > I recall there was at least 3-4 people that volunteered (included myself), but after that we didn't get any discussion in the list or among the people that volunteered. > > I've not seen any discussion in the list, neither the volunteers being in touch to start work ing on this, so I think we must move on somehow to get the work done. Could the volunteers confirm they are still willing to participate and we can find a way to organize the work together? > > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited , will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg
Hi Mathias, Sorry if I didn’t make it clear: of course, is NOT restricted to any specific group or set of “original” volunteers, anyone willing to participate must be allowed to. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/3/22, 11:06, "mathias.westerlund" <mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> escribió: Heya. while i know and understand this is a call for the original volunteers to speak up, if there is a need for more people then i would personally like to volunteer, This was something discussed before we became members but as we are an ISP and MSP aiming to be 100% IPv6 native for all our customers this lies close to my heart and i hope that if you do need more people that you could accept someone very green to RIPE but very weilling to contribute. Regards, Mathias W. On 2022-03-16 10:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hi all, In the last WG meeting (at the RIPE 83), there was a brief presentation from the chairs about the possible review of IPv6 policy goals. I recall there was at least 3-4 people that volunteered (included myself), but after that we didn't get any discussion in the list or among the people that volunteered. I've not seen any discussion in the list, neither the volunteers being in touch to start working on this, so I think we must move on somehow to get the work done. Could the volunteers confirm they are still willing to participate and we can find a way to organize the work together? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Alright! Good to know. Do you perhaps have a pointer to the meeting notes so i can read deeper on the discussion and see what i could contribute with in more details? Or if you feel you have the time to help me catch up what has been said. Either is perfectly fine to me. On 2022-03-16 11:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > > > > Hi Mathias, > > > > > > > > Sorry if I didn’t make it clear: of course, is NOT restricted to any specific group or set of “original” volunteers, anyone willing to participate must be allowed to. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Jordi > > > > @jordipalet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > El 16/3/22, 11:06, "mathias.westerlund" <mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se (mailto:mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se)> escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heya. while i know and understand this is a call for the original volunteers to speak up, if there is a need for more people then i would personally like to volunteer, This was something discussed before we became members but as we are an ISP and MSP aiming to be 100% IPv6 native for all our customers this lies close to my heart and i hope that if you do need more people that you could accept someone very green to RIPE but very weilling to contribute. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Mathias W. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-03-16 10:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > In the last WG meeting (at the RIPE 83), there was a brief presentation from the chairs about the possible review of IPv6 policy goals. > > > > I recall there was at least 3-4 people that volunteered (included myself), but after that we didn't get any discussion in the list or among the people that volunteered. > > > > I've not seen any discussion in the list, neither the volunteers being in touch to start working on this, so I think we must move on somehow to get the work done. Could the volunteers confirm they are still willing to participate and we can find a way to organize the work together? > > > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > > > > > > > ********************************************** > > IPv4 is over > > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > > http://www.theipv6company.com > > The IPv6 Company > > > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg
Not too much, was a short presentation: https://ripe83.ripe.net/archives/video/644/ Saludos, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/3/22, 11:43, "address-policy-wg en nombre de mathias.westerlund" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> escribió: Alright! Good to know. Do you perhaps have a pointer to the meeting notes so i can read deeper on the discussion and see what i could contribute with in more details? Or if you feel you have the time to help me catch up what has been said. Either is perfectly fine to me. On 2022-03-16 11:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hi Mathias, Sorry if I didn’t make it clear: of course, is NOT restricted to any specific group or set of “original” volunteers, anyone willing to participate must be allowed to. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/3/22, 11:06, "mathias.westerlund" <mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> escribió: Heya. while i know and understand this is a call for the original volunteers to speak up, if there is a need for more people then i would personally like to volunteer, This was something discussed before we became members but as we are an ISP and MSP aiming to be 100% IPv6 native for all our customers this lies close to my heart and i hope that if you do need more people that you could accept someone very green to RIPE but very weilling to contribute. Regards, Mathias W. On 2022-03-16 10:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hi all, In the last WG meeting (at the RIPE 83), there was a brief presentation from the chairs about the possible review of IPv6 policy goals. I recall there was at least 3-4 people that volunteered (included myself), but after that we didn't get any discussion in the list or among the people that volunteered. I've not seen any discussion in the list, neither the volunteers being in touch to start working on this, so I think we must move on somehow to get the work done. Could the volunteers confirm they are still willing to participate and we can find a way to organize the work together? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. 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Hi, An intentionally small group of community members - in order to be agile, work efficiently, and avoid too many cooks, etc. - have already started work on the IPv6 policy review. They will provide a status update over the coming days. Other community members are encouraged and warmly welcomed to actively contribute to the review by providing their feedback and input on the mailing list. Regards, James On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:51 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Not too much, was a short presentation:
https://ripe83.ripe.net/archives/video/644/
Saludos,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 16/3/22, 11:43, "address-policy-wg en nombre de mathias.westerlund" < address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> escribió:
Alright!
Good to know.
Do you perhaps have a pointer to the meeting notes so i can read deeper on the discussion and see what i could contribute with in more details? Or if you feel you have the time to help me catch up what has been said.
Either is perfectly fine to me.
On 2022-03-16 11:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg < address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi Mathias,
Sorry if I didn’t make it clear: of course, is NOT restricted to any specific group or set of “original” volunteers, anyone willing to participate must be allowed to.
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 16/3/22, 11:06, "mathias.westerlund" <mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> escribió:
Heya. while i know and understand this is a call for the original volunteers to speak up, if there is a need for more people then i would personally like to volunteer, This was something discussed before we became members but as we are an ISP and MSP aiming to be 100% IPv6 native for all our customers this lies close to my heart and i hope that if you do need more people that you could accept someone very green to RIPE but very weilling to contribute.
Regards, Mathias W.
On 2022-03-16 10:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg < address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
Hi all,
In the last WG meeting (at the RIPE 83), there was a brief presentation from the chairs about the possible review of IPv6 policy goals.
I recall there was at least 3-4 people that volunteered (included myself), but after that we didn't get any discussion in the list or among the people that volunteered.
I've not seen any discussion in the list, neither the volunteers being in touch to start working on this, so I think we must move on somehow to get the work done. Could the volunteers confirm they are still willing to participate and we can find a way to organize the work together?
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
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Hi James, I was among the 3-4 volunteers that spoke up in the meeting and I knew nothing about this “small” group. So now is the group just 2 people and how this people were “selected”? Anyway, I don’t think it could be a problem if instead of 2, 3 or 4 we have 5 or even 10 people. We have already seen several samples of discrimination in the RIPE community since some months ago. Is this one more? Should we change the principles of openness and inclusivity? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/3/22, 11:57, "address-policy-wg en nombre de James Kennedy" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de jameskennedy001@gmail.com> escribió: Hi, An intentionally small group of community members - in order to be agile, work efficiently, and avoid too many cooks, etc. - have already started work on the IPv6 policy review. They will provide a status update over the coming days. Other community members are encouraged and warmly welcomed to actively contribute to the review by providing their feedback and input on the mailing list. Regards, James On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:51 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Not too much, was a short presentation: https://ripe83.ripe.net/archives/video/644/ Saludos, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/3/22, 11:43, "address-policy-wg en nombre de mathias.westerlund" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> escribió: Alright! Good to know. Do you perhaps have a pointer to the meeting notes so i can read deeper on the discussion and see what i could contribute with in more details? Or if you feel you have the time to help me catch up what has been said. Either is perfectly fine to me. On 2022-03-16 11:23, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hi Mathias, Sorry if I didn’t make it clear: of course, is NOT restricted to any specific group or set of “original” volunteers, anyone willing to participate must be allowed to. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/3/22, 11:06, "mathias.westerlund" <mathias.westerlund@wdmab.se> escribió: Heya. while i know and understand this is a call for the original volunteers to speak up, if there is a need for more people then i would personally like to volunteer, This was something discussed before we became members but as we are an ISP and MSP aiming to be 100% IPv6 native for all our customers this lies close to my heart and i hope that if you do need more people that you could accept someone very green to RIPE but very weilling to contribute. Regards, Mathias W. On 2022-03-16 10:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> wrote: Hi all, In the last WG meeting (at the RIPE 83), there was a brief presentation from the chairs about the possible review of IPv6 policy goals. I recall there was at least 3-4 people that volunteered (included myself), but after that we didn't get any discussion in the list or among the people that volunteered. I've not seen any discussion in the list, neither the volunteers being in touch to start working on this, so I think we must move on somehow to get the work done. Could the volunteers confirm they are still willing to participate and we can find a way to organize the work together? Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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Hi, On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 12:25:27PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote:
We have already seen several samples of discrimination in the RIPE community since some months ago. Is this one more? Should we change the principles of openness and inclusivity?
You can not force random volunteer people (with no formal power or mandate) to work with you. This has nothing to do with "inclusivity" but with "it's my choice who I spend my time with". It's also only discrimination if there is a process for joining and you are rejected because you are "Jordi", instead of generic reasoning, like "we have enough people already". (OTOH, with all these accusations being thrown around by you, I'm sure all volunteer groups will all be totally happy to have you on board, and will be making exceptions to their rules, just for you. Which would not be discriminating, of course.) Now, for everything relevant to policy decisions, this happens on the public list. If you haven't seen anything, this is because nothing has happened yet. Gert Doering -- volunteer -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Of course, nobody can force others to work with anyone, however this means: 1) We can't call this community anymore open, transparent and inclusive. 2) Several people not willing to work with others will create a number of groups of people working on the same or very similar things, and they we will have funny discussions when we have competing policy proposals. I don't think this is right neither good at all. Of course, in that case, the chairs will need to avoid discrimination and accept all the possible different proposals from different people, which is smarter than having a single one. And by the way, if you don't want to work with other community member(s), you should openly tell that. Also, the chairs should have made explicit that the call for volunteers was done to create different groups of people not willing to work with others, as clearly the chairs knew that some "small" group was working already on that, and they didn't even provide the opportunity to the other volunteers to participate. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/3/22, 13:04, "Gert Doering" <gert@space.net> escribió: Hi, On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 12:25:27PM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > We have already seen several samples of discrimination in the RIPE community since some months ago. Is this one more? Should we change the principles of openness and inclusivity? You can not force random volunteer people (with no formal power or mandate) to work with you. This has nothing to do with "inclusivity" but with "it's my choice who I spend my time with". It's also only discrimination if there is a process for joining and you are rejected because you are "Jordi", instead of generic reasoning, like "we have enough people already". (OTOH, with all these accusations being thrown around by you, I'm sure all volunteer groups will all be totally happy to have you on board, and will be making exceptions to their rules, just for you. Which would not be discriminating, of course.) Now, for everything relevant to policy decisions, this happens on the public list. If you haven't seen anything, this is because nothing has happened yet. Gert Doering -- volunteer -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
James Kennedy wrote:
An intentionally small group of community members - in order to be agile, work efficiently, and avoid too many cooks, etc. - have already started work on the IPv6 policy review.
Agile!!! Yeah! Very reasonable goal. So, if we can't see full IPv6 deployment within a certain period of time, obviously less than a year, or, at most, 3 years, we must conclude that IPv6 inoperational. Or, are you saying that just reviewing the current policy situation requires several years of *agile* reviewing period, after which several tens of years will be wasted to modify current policy only after, in the real world, IPv6 will be fully abandoned? Then, I'm afraid RIPE is hopeless. Masataka Ohta
Hi, On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:31:53PM +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote:
Or, are you saying that just reviewing the current policy situation requires several years of *agile* reviewing period, after which several tens of years will be wasted to modify current policy only after, in the real world, IPv6 will be fully abandoned?
The intent was to have a small group come up with something like a current policy assessment - what were the original goals? - have we succeeded in reaching them? - if not, is there something that should be done differently? - is the situation today, 25 years later, significantly different? - if yes, which goals could be adjusted? - and then, discuss consequences of these findings, in the larger group (or maybe come to the conclusion that some of the findings are just incorrect due to small-group bias) It turns out that we're all not very agile and have spent too much time with families and friends instead of working on that document, so there is nothing to present yet. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi, Le Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 09:31:53PM +0900, Masataka Ohta a écrit :
So, if we can't see full IPv6 deployment within a certain period of time, obviously less than a year, or, at most, 3 years, we must conclude that IPv6 inoperational.
I think everyone knows you are an IPv6 opponent by now. If you have nothing more constructive or positive to add than 'IPv6 is a failure', you can refrain to send a message to this list. I am sure you have more important things to do with your life :) -- Denis Fondras / Liopen
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