Greetings again, Sorry that I joined this discussion with delay, but as i was found a lot of people didnt get notified or get in touch with this discussion as myself. Currently I discuss this things at ENOG9 with people. I would like to ask you some more days for discussion becouse a lot of people are busy at enog9 and some europe meetings but good idea to wait for their opinion too. Ripe free ips number is growing but you make it harder to get?! You are against ripe members?  Not speakeing anout 185.x right now. Its globaly. Why to make it harder? The policy you try to applay will not help you goal. You should assist and try to help people to get ips that they need for business if ripe have them with some faer puporse. Current ip ranges are very small and may not care on big owners who use lot of ip networs like /16 /15 and etc. Ripe should take more care on database and better take back ips that were get from ripe somehow with strange puporses. I dont see any good idea here. It will even not help one companies to help other companies to arrange needed ip amount. If you think you should resist ip redistrebution and interfere geting ips legaly from ripe may be better lets stop IP distribution at all and close ripe? Ripe should help up distribution. Its the goal of ripe.  Ever if you read the propousal puporse you will undersnand that it will not help, even if it happen nothing strange will happen. But the result that will be published later will confirm that you where wrong. Please give some days for discussion if that possible. Yuri@NTX Отправлено с устройства Samsung -------- Исходное сообщение -------- От: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian@karotte.org> Дата: 10.06.2015 16:12 (GMT+02:00) Кому: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Тема: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-01 Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published * ripe@ntx.ru <ripe@ntx.ru> [2015-06-10 15:00]:

Greetings!

Hello, the discussion phase ended yesterday so this will not be put into consideration.

"-1"We did a lot of analytics and do not support this idea. It will not help to reach the goal and will not help community, companies rearrange and get IPs. The transfer numbers show that 3%is not important and not against other members or people. 

The goal is to make it harder to abuse the last-/8 policy. This will help.

In other case if it will be implemented it will make more difficult some things, it will make unregulated market and will not help people and companies.  So you will get opposite result. 

In what way will it make things more difficult? The goal - again - is to stop the abuse of a policy that was made to help newcomers to enter the market.

I am very surprised that lot of people who discuss it positive doesnt realy work or need it. They just tell own opinion. But we need to see the numbers. And we have to work for community but not against it!

Which community are you talking about? Who is this hurting and how?

We just  finished own ripe database analitics and today some hours later we have today database update and can show fresh information. Ripe should care on other things much more but not here.

We can give more analitics and also examples from database statistics.

You're not saying what your analytics are about but even so, the discussion phase is over... Regards Sebastian -- GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A  9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE) 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE.             -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant