2019-02 Review Phase (IPv4 Waiting List Implementation)
Dear colleagues, Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in the Review Phase. This proposal aims at creating a waiting list based on an allocation size of /24 once the RIPE NCC’s free IPv4 pool is exhausted. The proposal has been updated following the last round of discussion and is now at version v2.0. Some of the differences from version v1.0 include: - New proposal title - Focus on waiting list requirements - Adjusting the moment of policy activation The RIPE NCC has prepared an impact analysis on this latest proposal version to support the community’s discussion. You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-02 And the draft documents at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-02/draft As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week Review Phase is to continue discussion of the proposal, taking the impact analysis into consideration, and to review the full draft RIPE Policy Document. At the end of the Review Phase, the WG Chairs will determine whether the WG has reached rough consensus. It is therefore important to provide your opinion, even if it is simply a restatement of your input from the previous phase. We encourage you to read the proposal, impact analysis and draft document and send any comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 4 June 2019. Kind regards, Marco Schmidt Policy Officer RIPE NCC Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in the Review Phase.
/me supports we are here to do what we can to make the internet work. this helps by making connectivity as available as possible given the circumstances. randy
On 07/05/2019 12:57, Randy Bush wrote:
On 06/05/2019 13:10, Marco Schmidt wrote:
Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in the Review Phase.
we are here to do what we can to make the internet work. this helps by making connectivity as available as possible given the circumstances.
Agrees with Randys comment. +1 from here. -Christoffer
On 2019 May 12 (Sun) at 11:56:02 +0200 (+0200), Hansen, Christoffer wrote: : :On 07/05/2019 12:57, Randy Bush wrote: :> On 06/05/2019 13:10, Marco Schmidt wrote: :>> Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" :>> is now in the Review Phase. :> :> we are here to do what we can to make the internet work. this :> helps by making connectivity as available as possible given :> the circumstances. : :Agrees with Randys comment. : :+1 from here. : : -Christoffer : I also agree with the policy proposal. -- Of course there's no reason for it, it's just our policy.
Dear WG members, As you might have seen, there is a v2 uploaded on the RIPE website and this will be discussed tomorrow during the AP-WG meeting. Please pre-read the updated version in order to make sure you can participate in the discussion about the latest version of the policy text. Kind regards, Erik Bais Co-Chair AP-WG On 06/05/2019, 13:10, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Marco Schmidt" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of mschmidt@ripe.net> wrote: Dear colleagues, Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in the Review Phase. This proposal aims at creating a waiting list based on an allocation size of /24 once the RIPE NCC’s free IPv4 pool is exhausted. The proposal has been updated following the last round of discussion and is now at version v2.0. Some of the differences from version v1.0 include: - New proposal title - Focus on waiting list requirements - Adjusting the moment of policy activation The RIPE NCC has prepared an impact analysis on this latest proposal version to support the community’s discussion. You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-02 And the draft documents at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-02/draft As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week Review Phase is to continue discussion of the proposal, taking the impact analysis into consideration, and to review the full draft RIPE Policy Document. At the end of the Review Phase, the WG Chairs will determine whether the WG has reached rough consensus. It is therefore important to provide your opinion, even if it is simply a restatement of your input from the previous phase. We encourage you to read the proposal, impact analysis and draft document and send any comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 4 June 2019. Kind regards, Marco Schmidt Policy Officer RIPE NCC Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
Hi, on 06.05.2019 13:10, Marco Schmidt wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in the Review Phase.
This proposal aims at creating a waiting list based on an allocation size of /24 once the RIPE NCC’s free IPv4 pool is exhausted.
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As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week Review Phase is to continue discussion of the proposal, taking the impact analysis into consideration, and to review the full draft RIPE Policy Document.
As Sebastian Wiesinger wrote in members-discuss: "The IPv4 pool will run out soon and after that there simply will be nothing to grab. In hindsight I wish we had just given out everything without reserving something for newcomers. I don't think it had the intended effect." I don't see this either, hence, while I agree that there should be some wording about the way the (already implicit) waiting list will be implemented/handled, I reject the proposal as-is due to the reduction of the assignment size. Reducing the assignment for new LIRs from /22 to /24 neither helps the community, nor the late-coming LIR in question. IPv4 is gone, we pray every other minute, so we should act accordingly. Regards, -kai
Hi Kai,
I don't see this either, hence, while I agree that there should be some wording about the way the (already implicit) waiting list will be implemented/handled, I reject the proposal as-is due to the reduction of the assignment size.
Reducing the assignment for new LIRs from /22 to /24 neither helps the community, nor the late-coming LIR in question.
This presentation from RIPE NCC at RIPE77 shows that changing the allocation size does help significantly: https://ripe77.ripe.net/presentations/71-Andrea_Cima_RIPE_77_APWG.pdf slide 14.
IPv4 is gone, we pray every other minute, so we should act accordingly.
Unfortunately the world is not as simple as that :'( Cheers, Sander
* Marco Schmidt
Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in the Review Phase.
Support. Tore
Dear working group, The review phase has ended and the AP-WG Chairs have declared rough consensus on the feedback received, during the Review Phase. We like to thank Randy, Tore, Christoffer and Peter Hessler for their support and Kai for his remark. ( which was addressed by the author Sander.) Marco, If you could push this into last call, that would be great. On behalf of the AP-WG Chair collective, Erik Bais Co-Chair of AP-WG On 06/05/2019, 13:10, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Marco Schmidt" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of mschmidt@ripe.net> wrote: Dear colleagues, Policy proposal 2019-02, "IPv4 Waiting List Implementation" is now in the Review Phase. This proposal aims at creating a waiting list based on an allocation size of /24 once the RIPE NCC’s free IPv4 pool is exhausted. The proposal has been updated following the last round of discussion and is now at version v2.0. Some of the differences from version v1.0 include: - New proposal title - Focus on waiting list requirements - Adjusting the moment of policy activation The RIPE NCC has prepared an impact analysis on this latest proposal version to support the community’s discussion. You can find the full proposal and impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-02 And the draft documents at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2019-02/draft As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week Review Phase is to continue discussion of the proposal, taking the impact analysis into consideration, and to review the full draft RIPE Policy Document. At the end of the Review Phase, the WG Chairs will determine whether the WG has reached rough consensus. It is therefore important to provide your opinion, even if it is simply a restatement of your input from the previous phase. We encourage you to read the proposal, impact analysis and draft document and send any comments to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 4 June 2019. Kind regards, Marco Schmidt Policy Officer RIPE NCC Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
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Erik Bais -
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Kai 'wusel' Siering -
Marco Schmidt -
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Randy Bush -
Sander Steffann -
Tore Anderson