Re: [address-policy-wg] LIRs with good / bad behavior
Hello Corin, In your case i understand but I still don`t understand why force small clients to become LIR only for a /22 and in some case they will not use entirely, when we can do something and fast i think to loose or get in front of user eyes all bad behavior LIRs and of course all rest of us to help clients, and of course help RIPE to get back all that blocks that is use now only for sale. And if you see from a customer perspective you can see cause is too expensive sometimes to become LIR for a /22 and use only /23 or even all /22. This is not a good way. On 11/19/2015 10:35 PM, Corin Langosch wrote:
Hi Valentin,
if you read the address policy working groups emails/ archives from the past weeks you can see I'm clearly against the ipv4 business/ market place too. We are not a LIR to make money of IP space, we do real ISP/ hosting business for several years now. We are short of IPV4 as many other LIRs are, especially those who only got a single /22. That's why we had to ask some of our customer to become LIRs themselves (just as you were, as it sounds). As they don't need the *whole* space immediately themselves, why not help them lease it to those who need it - not for astronomic prices but reasonable ones? This way the space is not wasted and no ones ripped off - in contrast to the behaviour of many old LIRs with space of /19, /18 up to /8 just laying around for years and just waiting for better prices.
Sorry again and I hope you got the point.
Best, Corin
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Am 19.11.2015 um 21:14 schrieb Valentin Panait:
Hello there, I think this subject is not in anyone interest. I just really don`t know why , but... Is old enough with no reply from anyone. Can i ask an administrator to delete this to make a cleanup on this archive? Best Regards, Valentin Panait
Hi Guys: I don't want to be a*** here, but this is just like the example I have just given... And Valentin: No, you can can not delete or cleanup archive in anyway, the only way is to have legitimate reason(illegal content for example), and send an lawyer letter to RIPE NCC to request take down under EU or Dutch law. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Valentin Panait < valentin.panait@ch-center.com> wrote:
Hello there,
I think this subject is not in anyone interest. I just really don`t know why , but... Is old enough with no reply from anyone. Can i ask an administrator to delete this to make a cleanup on this archive?
Best Regards, Valentin Panait
-- -- Kind regards. Lu
Hello Lu I just talking about another subject "LIRs with good / bad behavior" that i opened some time ago and no one reply to that, not about your subject "An interesting policy question". Best Regards, Valentin Panait On 12/03/2015 10:12 PM, Lu Heng wrote:
Hi Guys:
I don't want to be a*** here, but this is just like the example I have just given...
And Valentin:
No, you can can not delete or cleanup archive in anyway, the only way is to have legitimate reason(illegal content for example), and send an lawyer letter to RIPE NCC to request take down under EU or Dutch law.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Valentin Panait <valentin.panait@ch-center.com <mailto:valentin.panait@ch-center.com>> wrote:
Hello there,
I think this subject is not in anyone interest. I just really don`t know why , but... Is old enough with no reply from anyone. Can i ask an administrator to delete this to make a cleanup on this archive?
Best Regards, Valentin Panait
-- -- Kind regards. Lu
Hi Read second part of my email, I was answering your question. On Thursday, 3 December 2015, Valentin Panait <valentin.panait@ch-center.com> wrote:
Hello Lu
I just talking about another subject "LIRs with good / bad behavior" that i opened some time ago and no one reply to that, not about your subject "An interesting policy question".
Best Regards, Valentin Panait
On 12/03/2015 10:12 PM, Lu Heng wrote:
Hi Guys:
I don't want to be a*** here, but this is just like the example I have just given...
And Valentin:
No, you can can not delete or cleanup archive in anyway, the only way is to have legitimate reason(illegal content for example), and send an lawyer letter to RIPE NCC to request take down under EU or Dutch law.
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Valentin Panait < valentin.panait@ch-center.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','valentin.panait@ch-center.com');>> wrote:
Hello there,
I think this subject is not in anyone interest. I just really don`t know why , but... Is old enough with no reply from anyone. Can i ask an administrator to delete this to make a cleanup on this archive?
Best Regards, Valentin Panait
-- -- Kind regards. Lu
-- -- Kind regards. Lu
Hi, On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 10:04:24PM +0200, Valentin Panait wrote:
Can i ask an administrator to delete this to make a cleanup on this archive?
No. The integrity of this is list can not be compromised by removing arbitrary articles from the archives (unless a judge requires the NCC to do so for violation of laws). Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
I understand. No probem Best Regards, Valentin Panait On 12/03/2015 10:45 PM, Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 10:04:24PM +0200, Valentin Panait wrote:
Can i ask an administrator to delete this to make a cleanup on this archive? No. The integrity of this is list can not be compromised by removing arbitrary articles from the archives (unless a judge requires the NCC to do so for violation of laws).
Gert Doering -- APWG chair
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