Hi Nigel: My suggestion was keep block in one piece and lease the block to the local companies(if legal requires). because put it back in one piece later on might be a problem and if there is no real transaction involved, less specific block are always better than smaller block for routing reasons. my two cents. On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:52 AM, <address-policy-wg-request@ripe.net> wrote:

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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:25:24 +0000 From: Nigel Titley <nigel@titley.com> Subject: [address-policy-wg] A question To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Message-ID: <5331BC04.1020401@titley.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Anyone care to cast an opinion on the following question:

The company I work for is about to split off one of its country operations into a separate company. There are various blocks in use from various allocations to the parent company. Is it permissible to split a PA block and transfer part of it to the new company in order to avoid having to renumber the customers? My reading of the transfer policy is that it is possible (if reprehensible), but I thought I'd just like to check with the great and the good to see what opinion is.

Nigel

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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:35:27 +0200 From: Elvis Velea <elvis@velea.eu> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Input request for the PI Transfer policy To: Gert Doering <gert@space.net> Cc: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Message-ID: <5331BE5F.8020108@velea.eu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Gert,

On 25/03/14 15:26, Gert Doering wrote:

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There might be other reasons as well.. It's just a feeling that limiting at /24 is the right thing to do. On the other hand, while writing this e-mail I've been having second thoughts on each of the paragraphs and reasons :-) It's good to have the arguments out, so we can think through them - thanks! I tried to play the devil's advocate role this time. As said, even when writing all my con's I realized these aren't too strong.

As you already know, I'm in favor of not adding any limitations in policy. I was just trying to voice all the possible con's.

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Gert Doering -- no hats

cheers, elvis -- blue hat to protect against the sun :-)

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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:52:21 +0200 From: Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis@v4escrow.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] A question To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Message-ID: <5331D065.5040402@v4escrow.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Nigel,

As far as I understand from the policy, you can transfer a block that contains customer assignments. The size of the block that you would transfer can not be (currently) smaller than a /22.

So, I would say that you have two options: - first - where you use the transfer policy and transfer parts of an allocation to an other LIR (even if it's yours, in a different country). In this case, the IPs transferred can not be again transferred for two years to an other LIR. - second - where you sell to a separate company (parts of) your infrastructure (and maybe associated customers) and then you would use the Mergers and Acquisitions procedure. In this case, the transfer policy would not be used and the IPs transferred to the new company could then be again transferred using the transfer policy.

cheers, elvis

On 25/03/14 19:25, Nigel Titley wrote:

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Anyone care to cast an opinion on the following question:

The company I work for is about to split off one of its country operations into a separate company. There are various blocks in use from various allocations to the parent company. Is it permissible to split a PA block and transfer part of it to the new company in order to avoid having to renumber the customers? My reading of the transfer policy is that it is possible (if reprehensible), but I thought I'd just like to check with the great and the good to see what opinion is.

Nigel

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