2018-03 Last Call for Comments (Fixing Outdated Information in the IPv4 Policy)
Dear colleagues, Proposal 2018-03, "Fixing Outdated Information in the IPv4 Policy", is now in Concluding Phase. This proposal aims to fix outdated information in the RIPE Policy "IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region". The WG co-chair has declared that rough consensus has been reached and the proposal will now move to Last Call. As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of this four week Concluding Phase is to give an opportunity to present well-justified objections for those who missed the previous two phases and wish to oppose the proposal. Any objection must be made by 22 August 2018 and must be supported by an explanation. If no substantive objections are raised by the end of Last Call, the proposal will complete the PDP and will be evaluated by the WG Chairs for consensus. You can find the full proposal at: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2018-03 Please e-mail any final comments about this proposal to <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> before 22 August 2018. Regards, Marco Schmidt Policy Officer RIPE NCC Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum
Dear AP WG, On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 03:13:56PM +0200, Marco Schmidt wrote:
Proposal 2018-03, "Fixing Outdated Information in the IPv4 Policy", is now in Concluding Phase. [..] Any objection must be made by 22 August 2018 and must be supported by an explanation.
If no substantive objections are raised by the end of Last Call, the proposal will complete the PDP and will be evaluated by the WG Chairs for consensus.
No comments have been received in Last Call, which according to the PDP signals "consent". Thus, Eric and I declare consensus, and ask the NCC to implement (= update the bits in the policy document that Andrea identified as "needing updates"). thanks, Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
But is there any reasons to comment something? We did it for 2015-01, but you declared consensus. ср, 29 Авг 2018 г., 0:36 Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Dear AP WG,
Proposal 2018-03, "Fixing Outdated Information in the IPv4 Policy", is now in Concluding Phase. [..] Any objection must be made by 22 August 2018 and must be supported by an explanation.
If no substantive objections are raised by the end of Last Call, the
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 03:13:56PM +0200, Marco Schmidt wrote: proposal will complete the PDP and will be evaluated by the WG Chairs for consensus.
No comments have been received in Last Call, which according to the PDP signals "consent". Thus, Eric and I declare consensus, and ask the NCC to implement (= update the bits in the policy document that Andrea identified as "needing updates").
thanks,
Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi, On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 07:20:07AM +0300, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
But is there any reasons to comment something? We did it for 2015-01, but you declared consensus.
The mail where I declared consensus had a summary and detailed reasoning why decisions were made. That certain people did not like 2015-01 because it broke their business model of requesting and quickly selling off /22s is understandable, but that was the whole point of the change - so yes, the community ignored those complaints. You know quite well that the WG chairs look very closely at the discussion and see if there is enough support to call it "rough consensus" or not (and either send the proposal back, or extent the discussion/review phase) Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Gert, while this was more of a cosmetic change and while this proposal did have support an no objections, I think that 4-5 e-mails of support should have at least required an extended discussion/review phase. Especially since in last call nobody said a word. my 2 cents. Elvis On 8/29/18 14:32, Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
But is there any reasons to comment something? We did it for 2015-01, but you declared consensus. The mail where I declared consensus had a summary and detailed reasoning why decisions were made. That certain people did not like 2015-01 because it broke their business model of requesting and quickly selling off /22s is understandable, but that was the whole point of the change - so yes,
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 07:20:07AM +0300, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote: the community ignored those complaints.
You know quite well that the WG chairs look very closely at the discussion and see if there is enough support to call it "rough consensus" or not (and either send the proposal back, or extent the discussion/review phase)
Gert Doering -- APWG chair
Hi, On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:55:52PM -0700, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote:
while this was more of a cosmetic change and while this proposal did have support an no objections, I think that 4-5 e-mails of support should have at least required an extended discussion/review phase.
This is a statement that should have been voiced after Erik's summary at the end of the review phase (and I do agree in principle that "more voices of support" would have been welcome). *Now* is too late for the WG chairs to do anything about it. The PDP for this proposal has concluded. (Technically, it could still run through an appeals process, though the question is "what for?" since nobody had any objections)
Especially since in last call nobody said a word.
Last call does not require anyone to say anything. This is stated very explicitely in the PDP. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
May we do it for 2015-01? For example it would help to switch to IPv6, but the NCC wants to earn money and don't think about the community. :) (Technically, it could still run through an appeals process, though the question is "what for?" since nobody had any objections) чт, 30 Авг 2018 г., 16:26 Gert Doering <gert@space.net>:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 09:55:52PM -0700, Elvis Daniel Velea wrote:
while this was more of a cosmetic change and while this proposal did have support an no objections, I think that 4-5 e-mails of support should have at least required an extended discussion/review phase.
This is a statement that should have been voiced after Erik's summary at the end of the review phase (and I do agree in principle that "more voices of support" would have been welcome).
*Now* is too late for the WG chairs to do anything about it. The PDP for this proposal has concluded.
(Technically, it could still run through an appeals process, though the question is "what for?" since nobody had any objections)
Especially since in last call nobody said a word.
Last call does not require anyone to say anything. This is stated very explicitely in the PDP.
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
Hi, On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 06:31:48PM +0300, Aleksey Bulgakov wrote:
May we do it for 2015-01? For example it would help to switch to IPv6, but the NCC wants to earn money and don't think about the community. :)
The NCC is not involved in policy making. The NCC provides feedback and implements what the community decides, by means of the PDP. But you know all that, so would you please stop trolling a completely unrelated discussion thread? Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Marco Schmidt