Hi, I'm not sure what you mean from dummy-LIRs but I think you mean the ones that just set up to get a single /22 to transfer it, am I right? If yes, It cannot keep "dummy-LIRs" from being set up, it just make it less attractive. But My argument was not about "dummy-LIRs set up", I'm talking about the LIRs that are not new and are already registered years ago, (before RIPE NCC starts distribution of last /8, before 2012) now if they apply to receive their last /22 why they have to wait for 2 years to be able to transfer them to others. (that makes IP distribution more difficult) It was not mandatory to receive last /22 and they are plenty of LIRs that are still using their existing allocations without getting their last /22. Not every olds LIR received its /22 till now and this 2015-01 can affect them too. Is it something supposed to be happened? I oppose this proposal because it has unnecessary effect on some of the genuine LIRs too. Arash Naderpour -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Garry Glendown Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 2:21 PM To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Opposing policy 2015-01 Hi,

I oppose policy 2015-01 because it can affect LIRs which are not new but they recently have received their /22 from last /8. (For example an LIR which is registered in 2010 and just received its /22) the LIR is not established to just receive the /22 but it has to wait for 2 I may misunderstand your reasoning, but that's why 2015-1 was desgined to do ... keep "dummy-LIRs" from being set up just to move the /22 to another LIR. limitation. As a side effect it makes it harder for IP distribution which is the main goal of RIPE. Actually, it aids it, as it keeps existing LIRs from going around and grabbing the available IP spaces and thereby keeping new entries from getting any ... please look at the ARIN region - they are down to ~140 /22 (fragmented into /23 and /24), which is still dropping quickly ... in contrast, RIPE's policies habe helped to still have a pool that might still last ~5 years ...

-garry

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, at 07:23, Arash Naderpour wrote:

My argument was not about "dummy-LIRs set up", I'm talking about the LIRs that are not new and are already registered years ago, (before RIPE NCC starts distribution of last /8, before 2012) now if they apply to receive their last /22 why they have to wait for 2 years to be able to transfer them to others. (that makes IP distribution more difficult)

If by "distributing to others" you mean to customers, nothing stops you from doing that. If by "distributing to others" you mean "transfer" (generally the permanent transfer, which must pass RIPE NCC approval), yes, it does stop you from doing that, and that's the whole point.

It was not mandatory to receive last /22 and they are plenty of LIRs that are still using their existing allocations without getting their last /22.

No impact for them. They are not "obliged" to get their "last /22".

Not every olds LIR received its /22 till now and this 2015-01 can affect them too. Is it something supposed to be happened? I oppose this proposal because it has unnecessary effect on some of the genuine LIRs too.

Please explain.