Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-01 New Policy Proposal (Alignment ofTransfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations)
I think that the more we talk about it, the more this loophole will be (ab)used. The part that was just theoretical was estimating how long it will take a company to decide that instead of going to the market, they could actually go to the RIPE NCC and get a /16 or maybe a /12 at €2.3 - €3.4 per IP (depending in which quarter you decide to do it).
from what I understand, the procedures clarified in RIPE-640 mean that the price of a /22 obtained by LIR churn will remain at startup fee + 1Y membership, and that it doesn't make any difference to the overall cost whether this is done in Q1 or Q4 because when you open a LIR, you are liable for a full year's membership fees. I.e. cost of doing this in 2015 is 1600+2000 = 3600, or €3.51 per ip address. Nick
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 16:46, Nick Hilliard wrote:
the price of a /22 obtained by LIR churn will remain at startup fee + 1Y membership, and that it doesn't make any difference to the overall cost whether this is done in Q1 or Q4 because when you open a LIR, you are liable for a full year's membership fees. I.e. cost of doing this in
Hi, When you open a LIR you are liable for the opening fee corresponding to the remaining period of the year ("the service fee, calculated pro rata at the time of requesting membership"). Is someone opens a LIR in Q3, transfers the newly obtained space and send the closing letter also in Q3, the closing will be effective in Q4 and the fee due only corresponds to half a year = 2800 EUR = 2.74 EUR/IP. In Q4, it will roll-over to the next year (=4000 EUR = 3.9 EUR/IP).
Hi, On 18/03/15 18:03, Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN wrote:
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 16:46, Nick Hilliard wrote:
the price of a /22 obtained by LIR churn will remain at startup fee + 1Y membership, and that it doesn't make any difference to the overall cost whether this is done in Q1 or Q4 because when you open a LIR, you are liable for a full year's membership fees. I.e. cost of doing this in Hi,
When you open a LIR you are liable for the opening fee corresponding to the remaining period of the year ("the service fee, calculated pro rata at the time of requesting membership"). Is someone opens a LIR in Q3, transfers the newly obtained space and send the closing letter also in Q3, the closing will be effective in Q4 and the fee due only corresponds to half a year = 2800 EUR = 2.74 EUR/IP. In Q4, it will roll-over to the next year (=4000 EUR = 3.9 EUR/IP).
looks someone has done it's homework.. hehe :) I am sure the RIPE NCC can clarify the procedures. How much one pays if you open an LIR in Q3 vs Q4 vs Q1 and whether they can force an LIR to stay open or pay for the one year fee before or after the transfer of the /22. The cost of opening an LIR in 2015 is, indeed €3600 (if the member will pay the full membership fee for that year), I was under the impression that the fee has been lowered to €1500 but I was wrong. However, if someone registers in Sept-2015 and chooses to pay quarterly, once they have received the /22 and transferred it, what forces them to pay for 2016? They can just announce the RIPE NCC in Oct-2015 that they no longer want to be a member in 2016 and close the LIR before December.. And even if the RIPE NCC continues to issue invoices, they may just close the company or ignore the messages from the RIPE NCC and then NCC's costs to chase the non-payer may be bigger than the gain. I do not think that the RIPE NCC can force a member to pay one year in advance for the membership services before transferring the /22. I also do not think that the RIPE NCC can force anyone to keep an LIR open in 2016 or pay for the membership fee in 2016 if they announce the RIPE NCC that they want to close before December of 2015. Regards, Elvis -- <http://v4escrow.net> Elvis Daniel Velea Chief Executive Officer Email: elvis@V4Escrow.net <mailto:elvis@v4escrow.net> US Phone: +1 (702) 475 5914 EU Phone: +31 (0) 61458 1914 Recognised IPv4 Broker/Facilitator in: This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original.Any other use of this email is strictly prohibited.
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