suggesting medium/big customers to become lirs is a good or a bad idea?
hello in the past week, at the ISP i work for i received 2 requests for /22 each from customers that provide broadband services to end-users. i personally feel like this type of customers that have needs for such big chunks of ip space should be encouraged to become lirs, because * knowing their type of business it is very likely that they will request at least another /22 in about 1 year (or even less). * it is likely that they would want to be multihomed in the future, and it will be painful for them to renumber (well, if they do their homework will not be so painful, but it's a job they can avoid doing). anyway, at that point in time it is likely they will NEED to become lirs. * lirs pay money to ripe. the more payers, the more likely that the anual fees will be lower for everyone, or if they stay the same the more money RIPE-NCC will have to fund projects that will make our life easier. anyone else feels the same? should i go ahead and try to talk my management into talking them into becoming lirs? or do i just need a cup of coffee and/or more sleep? /t
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Tiberiu Ungureanu wrote:
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:50:47 -0500 From: Tiberiu Ungureanu <tiberiu.ungureanu@ines.ro> To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: [address-policy-wg] suggesting medium/big customers to become lirs is a good or a bad idea?
hello
in the past week, at the ISP i work for i received 2 requests for /22 each from customers that provide broadband services to end-users.
i personally feel like this type of customers that have needs for such big chunks of ip space should be encouraged to become lirs, because
* knowing their type of business it is very likely that they will request at least another /22 in about 1 year (or even less). * it is likely that they would want to be multihomed in the future, and it will be painful for them to renumber (well, if they do their homework will not be so painful, but it's a job they can avoid doing). anyway, at that point in time it is likely they will NEED to become lirs. * lirs pay money to ripe. the more payers, the more likely that the anual fees will be lower for everyone, or if they stay the same the more money RIPE-NCC will have to fund projects that will make our life easier.
anyone else feels the same? should i go ahead and try to talk my management into talking them into becoming lirs? or do i just need a cup of coffee and/or more sleep?
We have done that already with several customers, at first they think it is difficult and look at the price, but when explaining the benefits and advantages it gets easier. Rgds, Ray
Long time ago, we had a /22. It was assigned from another isps /18. This was when the minimum size for receiving a prefix from ripe was /20. Since the policy has changed, and only because of that, I would recommend: Ask ripe for a new /22. Give it to the customer. The customer can take it over if they become a LIR later. You can multihome your customer as long as they are multihomed within your network. If you do that, make sure you don't put both their links/routers in the same maintenance window. j -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Tiberiu Ungureanu Sent: 21. mars 2007 01:51 To: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: [address-policy-wg] suggesting medium/big customers to become lirs is a good or a bad idea? hello in the past week, at the ISP i work for i received 2 requests for /22 each from customers that provide broadband services to end-users. i personally feel like this type of customers that have needs for such big chunks of ip space should be encouraged to become lirs, because * knowing their type of business it is very likely that they will request at least another /22 in about 1 year (or even less). * it is likely that they would want to be multihomed in the future, and it will be painful for them to renumber (well, if they do their homework will not be so painful, but it's a job they can avoid doing). anyway, at that point in time it is likely they will NEED to become lirs. * lirs pay money to ripe. the more payers, the more likely that the anual fees will be lower for everyone, or if they stay the same the more money RIPE-NCC will have to fund projects that will make our life easier. anyone else feels the same? should i go ahead and try to talk my management into talking them into becoming lirs? or do i just need a cup of coffee and/or more sleep? /t
Jørgen Hovland wrote:
Ask ripe for a new /22. Give it to the customer. The customer can take it over if they become a LIR later. You can multihome your customer as long as they are multihomed within your network. If you do that, make sure you don't put both their links/routers in the same maintenance window.
You can ask RIPE for a new PA only when you have less than 80% of your PA unassigned. Maybe you are talking about /22 PI? -- WBR, Max Tulyev (MT6561-RIPE, 2:463/253@FIDO)
-----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Max Tulyev
You can ask RIPE for a new PA only when you have less than 80% of your PA unassigned.
Maybe you are talking about /22 PI?
Not really.
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Tiberiu Ungureanu