Re: [address-policy-wg] [policy-announce] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Clean up)
I see now why people are confused about the conservation issue. Sylvain, the price in a market is not known in advance. I will be set by competitive bidding and reflect supply and demand. I don't know where you got this 1,75 Euro number or what on earth gives you the idea that the price will remain fixed. As supply diminishes, the price goes up. That creates powerful and effective conservation incentives. On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Sylvain Vallerot < sylvain.vallerot@opdop.net> wrote:
But if they have to pay a price that reflects the relative scarcity of
resource they have a much stronger incentive to conserve that the alternative situation you describe. "Commercials" cannot simply provide all the addresses their customers want when they cannot replenish their stock without
On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 03:45:22PM +0000, Milton L Mueller wrote: the paying a
rising price.
We are talking about 1,75 € per address and per year.
I guess this wouldn't stop any commercial from reselling to a client who asks for it, and certainly can pay for it, if conservation is abandonned.
Best regards, Sylvain
On 11/08/2013 22:37, Milton Mueller wrote:
Sylvain, the price in a market is not known in advance. I will be set by competitive bidding and reflect supply and demand. I don't know where you got this 1,75 Euro number
Until complete /8 depletion a LIR cost is 1800 €/annum to easily get a /22 that is 1024 addresses. 1800 / 1024 = 1.75 € per address and per year. This will be the guideline for max pricing until complete depletion if we abort fairness rules. But you are right after this period prices may evolve considerably (this is not a period I am interested in for the moment). My point was this 1.75 cost-price is low enough to allow commercial abuses if the fair distribution, documentation and conservation rules are removed from Ripe policies. Which is another deregulation signal I do not expect from Ripe.
Sylvain Vallerot <sylvain.vallerot@opdop.net> schrieb:
On 11/08/2013 22:37, Milton Mueller wrote:
Sylvain, the price in a market is not known in advance. I will be set by competitive bidding and reflect supply and demand. I don't know where you got this 1,75 Euro number
Until complete /8 depletion a LIR cost is 1800 €/annum to easily get a /22 that is 1024 addresses.
1800 / 1024 = 1.75 € per address and per year.
This calculation is IMHO a little to simple, as each legal entity may become only once LIR. So you'd also need to add the costs of setting up some more legal entities ...
My point was this 1.75 cost-price is low enough to allow commercial abuses if the fair distribution, documentation and conservation rules are removed from Ripe policies.
Which is another deregulation signal I do not expect from Ripe.
Abuse and missuse of setting up LIRs is not a question for adress-policy but for rules how to become LIR and I think that these rules are already well defined, to prevent such abuse. Best Regards Jens
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