Hello All, let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment?
Hi Max, I hope you're doing well in Kyiv. Do we have any example of such revocation? -- Sergey Friday, February 25, 2022, 5:23:54 PM, you wrote:
let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment?
While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ... I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ... Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de president@ukraine.su> escribió: Hello All, let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment? -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it.
Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey, as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people and support the right decisions. Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it. Let's all work together that this stay this way. regards, Kurt Am 25.02.22 um 17:33 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg:
While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ...
I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ...
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev"<address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de president@ukraine.su> escribió:
Hello All,
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Hi, On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote:
Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it.
Let's all work together that this stay this way.
My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of misinformation. So, make sure Information can flow. Gert Doering -- just a concerned user -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On 25/02/2022 18:17, Gert Doering wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote:
Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it.
Let's all work together that this stay this way.
My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of misinformation.
I'm with you, it's not general population's fault for current situation and they should not be cut off from the Internet for that reason. However, I'm terribly concerned that there's no way to prevent majority of operators and transit networks around the world to add new BGP filters, dropping just certain ASNs and prefixes, used by certain government, da? :) ;) Cheers, Jan
I agree that best way is to ensure information flow and that what we produce as online content is in Russian and Ukrainian. Most people there just do not read foreign languages. So, a bit of effort on our side to translate the vision in Europe into Russian and Ukrainian. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu <https://www.brenac.eu/> +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. On 25/02/2022 18:18, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net on behalf of gert@space.net> wrote: Hi, On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > who is responsible for it. > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of misinformation. So, make sure Information can flow. Gert Doering -- just a concerned user -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/address-policy-wg
Hello Kurt, that's why I said about *goverment*, not people in general. 25.02.22 19:07, Kurt Kayser пише:
Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey,
as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people and support the right decisions.
Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it.
Let's all work together that this stay this way.
regards, Kurt
Am 25.02.22 um 17:33 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg:
While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ...
I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ...
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev"<address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de president@ukraine.su> escribió:
Hello All,
let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment?
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On 25 Feb 2022, at 19:07, Kurt Kayser <Kurt.Kayser@online.de> wrote:
Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey,
as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people and support the right decisions.
You are totally wrong if you think that Russian people need access to the information or their access to it will help anything. I don't believe that RIPE will revoke anything from Russia. Of course, RIPE is above that, it does not bother by such issues (of course until Russia will knock on your door but now never mind). But do not invent false foundation, please. P.S. They all had access to the information before 24 February this year. Has this helped with anything?
Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it.
Let's all work together that this stay this way.
regards, Kurt
Am 25.02.22 um 17:33 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg:
While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ...
I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ...
Regards, Jordi @jordipalet
El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev" <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net en nombre de president@ukraine.su> escribió:
Hello All,
let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment?
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Of course. As part of helping Ukraine, let's also send electric cars to help fight pollution caused by the war. -- Stary bezpiek W dniu 25.02.2022 o 18:07, Kurt Kayser pisze:
Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey,
as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people and support the right decisions.
Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it.
Let's all work together that this stay this way.
regards, Kurt
participants (9)
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Gert Doering -
Jan Zorz - Go6 -
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ -
Kurt Kayser -
Max Tulyev -
Sergey Myasoedov -
Stary Bezpiek -
Taras Heichenko -
Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker