2014-13 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Allow AS Number Transfers)
Dear colleagues, The proposal described in 2014-13, "Allow AS Number Transfers", is now in its Review Phase. The draft document has been published, along with an impact analysis conducted by the RIPE NCC. You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-13 and the draft document at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-13/draft We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg@ripe.net before 21 January 2015. Regards Marco Schmidt Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC
Reading the draft… This sentence: "Any holder of Autonomous System (AS) Numbers is allowed to re-assign AS Numbers that were previously assigned to them by the RIPE NCC or otherwise through the Regional Internet Registry System." …reads to me that transfer or reassignment is allowed inter-rir...I may be missing bits of policy here that explicitly disallow. Apologies if so. Clarification? Best, -M< On Dec 23, 2014, at 10:18 AM, Marco Schmidt <mschmidt@ripe.net> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
The proposal described in 2014-13, "Allow AS Number Transfers", is now in its Review Phase.
The draft document has been published, along with an impact analysis conducted by the RIPE NCC.
You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-13
and the draft document at:
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-13/draft
We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments to address-policy-wg@ripe.net before 21 January 2015.
Regards
Marco Schmidt Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC
"Any holder of Autonomous System (AS) Numbers is allowed to re-assign AS Numbers that were previously assigned to them by the RIPE NCC or otherwise through the Regional Internet Registry System."
…reads to me that transfer or reassignment is allowed inter-rir.
yes, quite well done. if some other rir is so wrapped around the tea party axle to play, that's their disease. no need to propagate it. randy
On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
"Any holder of Autonomous System (AS) Numbers is allowed to re-assign AS Numbers that were previously assigned to them by the RIPE NCC or otherwise through the Regional Internet Registry System."
…reads to me that transfer or reassignment is allowed inter-rir.
yes, quite well done.
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward. Best, -M<
On 28/12/2014 19:59, Hannigan, Martin wrote:
On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
"Any holder of Autonomous System (AS) Numbers is allowed to re-assign AS Numbers that were previously assigned to them by the RIPE NCC or otherwise through the Regional Internet Registry System."
…reads to me that transfer or reassignment is allowed inter-rir.
yes, quite well done.
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
+1 Nick
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+1 -- Luca Sent by mobile
On 28/dic/2014, at 20:59, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com> wrote:
On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
"Any holder of Autonomous System (AS) Numbers is allowed to re-assign AS Numbers that were previously assigned to them by the RIPE NCC or otherwise through the Regional Internet Registry System."
…reads to me that transfer or reassignment is allowed inter-rir.
yes, quite well done.
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
Best,
-M<
Support absolute! -- Kind regards, Lev V. Cherednikov Net By Net Holding LLC (OJSC "MegaFon" ) www.netbynet.ru<http://www.netbynet.ru> 1 янв. 2015 г., в 21:24, Luca Cicchelli <luca.cicchelli@top-ix.org<mailto:luca.cicchelli@top-ix.org>> написал(а): +1 -- Luca Sent by mobile On 28/dic/2014, at 20:59, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com<mailto:marty@akamai.com>> wrote: On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com<mailto:randy@psg.com>> wrote: "Any holder of Autonomous System (AS) Numbers is allowed to re-assign AS Numbers that were previously assigned to them by the RIPE NCC or otherwise through the Regional Internet Registry System." …reads to me that transfer or reassignment is allowed inter-rir. yes, quite well done. Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward. Best, -M<
+1 On 02.01.2015 12:46, Чередников Лев Викторович (NbN-HQ) wrote:
Support absolute!
-- Kind regards, Lev V. Cherednikov Net By Net Holding LLC (OJSC "MegaFon" ) www.netbynet.ru <http://www.netbynet.ru>
1 янв. 2015 г., в 21:24, Luca Cicchelli <luca.cicchelli@top-ix.org <mailto:luca.cicchelli@top-ix.org>> написал(а):
+1
-- Luca
Sent by mobile
On 28/dic/2014, at 20:59, Hannigan, Martin <marty@akamai.com <mailto:marty@akamai.com>> wrote:
On Dec 23, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Randy Bush <randy@psg.com <mailto:randy@psg.com>> wrote:
"Any holder of Autonomous System (AS) Numbers is allowed to re-assign AS Numbers that were previously assigned to them by the RIPE NCC or otherwise through the Regional Internet Registry System."
…reads to me that transfer or reassignment is allowed inter-rir.
yes, quite well done.
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
Best,
-M<
* "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com>
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
+1 Tore
support. Regards, George On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Tore Anderson <tore@fud.no> wrote:
* "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com>
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
+1
Tore
support El 20/01/2015 a las 10:05, George Giannousopoulos escribió:
support.
Regards, George
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Tore Anderson <tore@fud.no <mailto:tore@fud.no>> wrote:
* "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com <mailto:marty@akamai.com>>
> Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
+1
Tore
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Support. Mike Burns From: George Giannousopoulos Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:05 AM To: RIPE address policy WG Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2014-13 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Allow AS Number Transfers) support. Regards, George On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Tore Anderson <tore@fud.no> wrote: * "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com>
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
+1 Tore
On 20/01/2015 08:03, Tore Anderson wrote:
* "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com>
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
+1
I agree in principal with resource transfer but would like to see some more discussion about the removal of the requirement to return unused resources to the RIPE NCC. This is a substantial change to the current policy which hasn't yet been commented on. Nick
Hi Nick, Gathering resources just for the idea of collecting resources isn't what is intended in any of the transfer policies. Not for this one, or for the others ... The intention as explained for the policy for both v6 an AS numbers is to enable companies to actually consolidate their LIR's or resources. Currently that is not possible as they might not fit the profile of the operational procedure for M&A's ... The intention is also still in the policy proposal, as the 'must return' is replaced by a 'should return', and not removed. This is to avoid an issue in the policy where a transfer is initiated and the RIPE NCC would read the policy as if that particular company would not need the resource anymore and de-register the resource. I can't say or predict that this policy change will bring more or less unused resources back to the NCC .. Nor is that the goal. It is however my expectation that more resources will come at a place where they will be used ... If the transfer market for IPv4 has shown us one thing, is that the new reality will put the unused resources into used resources. Hope that explains, Egards, Erik Bais Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
Op 20 jan. 2015 om 11:28 heeft Nick Hilliard <nick@inex.ie> het volgende geschreven:
On 20/01/2015 08:03, Tore Anderson wrote: * "Hannigan, Martin" <marty@akamai.com>
Agreed on the policy. I support its continued move forward.
+1
I agree in principal with resource transfer but would like to see some more discussion about the removal of the requirement to return unused resources to the RIPE NCC. This is a substantial change to the current policy which hasn't yet been commented on.
Nick
Dear AP WG, the review phase for 2014-13 has ended. Given the number of comments in review phase, I can say we have quite strong support for the proposal. There was one discussion item about the requirement to return unused numbers to the NCC, which is changed from a "MUST" to a "should" - this was answered by the proposer, and no further discussion happend. So I assume this is addressed. So, I declare we have consensus, and move 2014-13 to Last Call. Marco will send the formal announcement for that in the next days. For reference, a list of people that voiced support or opposition (or something else) in the review phase is appended below. This is what I have based my decision on. If you disagree with my interpretation of what has been said and the conclusion I have drawn from it, please let us know. Gert Doering, Address Policy WG Chair Review Phase, starting Dec 23, 2014 Support: Martin Hannigan Nick Hilliard Hamed Shafaghi Luca Cicchelli Lev V. Cherednikov NTX NOC (counted as personal statement) Tore Anderson Elvis Daniel Velea George Giannousopoulos Daniel Baeza Mike Burns Opposing: <nobody> Questions / Discussion items: Martin Hannigan, answered Nick Hilliard - "discussion about the removal of the requirement to return unused resources to the RIPE NCC" answered by Erik Bais (proposer) no further discussion by the list members Comments: Randy Bush -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
On 05/02/2015 20:12, Gert Doering wrote:
If you disagree with my interpretation of what has been said and the conclusion I have drawn from it, please let us know.
looks like consensus to me. Nick
Thanks for the summary Gert. Regards, Erik Bais ( proposer of the policy ) -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net] Namens Gert Doering Verzonden: donderdag 5 februari 2015 21:12 Aan: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Onderwerp: Re: [address-policy-wg] 2014-13 declaration of consensus (Allow AS Number Transfers) Dear AP WG, the review phase for 2014-13 has ended. Given the number of comments in review phase, I can say we have quite strong support for the proposal. There was one discussion item about the requirement to return unused numbers to the NCC, which is changed from a "MUST" to a "should" - this was answered by the proposer, and no further discussion happend. So I assume this is addressed. So, I declare we have consensus, and move 2014-13 to Last Call. Marco will send the formal announcement for that in the next days. For reference, a list of people that voiced support or opposition (or something else) in the review phase is appended below. This is what I have based my decision on. If you disagree with my interpretation of what has been said and the conclusion I have drawn from it, please let us know. Gert Doering, Address Policy WG Chair Review Phase, starting Dec 23, 2014 Support: Martin Hannigan Nick Hilliard Hamed Shafaghi Luca Cicchelli Lev V. Cherednikov NTX NOC (counted as personal statement) Tore Anderson Elvis Daniel Velea George Giannousopoulos Daniel Baeza Mike Burns Opposing: <nobody> Questions / Discussion items: Martin Hannigan, answered Nick Hilliard - "discussion about the removal of the requirement to return unused resources to the RIPE NCC" answered by Erik Bais (proposer) no further discussion by the list members Comments: Randy Bush -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
participants (16)
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Daniel Baeza (Red y Sistemas TVT) -
Elvis Daniel Velea -
Erik Bais -
Erik Bais - A2B Internet
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George Giannousopoulos -
Gert Doering -
Hamed Shafaghi -
Hannigan, Martin -
Luca Cicchelli -
Marco Schmidt -
Mike Burns -
Nick Hilliard -
NTX NOC -
Randy Bush -
Tore Anderson -
Чередников Лев Викторов ич (NbN-HQ)