Re: [ncc-services-wg] New RIPE NCC Procedural Document Available
At 16-7-2009 16:53, Andrea Cima wrote:
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Dear Colleagues,
The RIPE NCC has published a new RIPE NCC procedural document: ripe-475, "Independent Internet Number Resources Contractual Relationship Changes between sponsoring LIR and End User"
This document describes the steps to be taken when there are changes in the contractual relationship between the End User of independent Internet number resources and the sponsoring Local Internet Registry (LIR). It also describes the scenarios in which the RIPE NCC may de-register independent Internet number resources and what happens to those resources once they are de-registered.
The new document is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html
Kind regards,
Andrea Cima RIPE NCC
From the document:
The End User contact email addresses listed in the RIPE Database object are notified by the RIPE NCC [...] I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand on the matter of unilateral contract termination, e-mail notifications are not legally binding by Dutch law. You need certified registered postal mail with proof of delivery. In the case of a network that seized to exist and the resources become void and invalid, e-mail correspondention with that network might not be possible anymore. When applying for resources, one has to submit company registration documents and the corresponding organisation object created at the RIPE database should contain the same data. This data should be sufficient to track down and send out notifications to the correct holder by postal mail. Please consult your legal department on this matter and update the procedures described at the document. With kind regards, Michiel Klaver IT Professional
Hello Michiel, They could first try to receive a response by email. If they don't get that response (and a response that is not from a human person isn't good enough) they could send the papers by postal mail. This way they could try to reduce the costs for the contact. It also depends on when the resources where given to the person/organization using it. Rules regarding emails and legal binding are changing. With kind regards, Mark Scholten -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Michiel Klaver Sent: maandag 27 juli 2009 14:37 To: Andrea Cima Cc: ncc-services-wg@ripe.net; 'Address Policy Working Group' Subject: [address-policy-wg] Re: [ncc-services-wg] New RIPE NCC Procedural Document Available At 16-7-2009 16:53, Andrea Cima wrote:
[Apologies for duplicate emails]
Dear Colleagues,
The RIPE NCC has published a new RIPE NCC procedural document: ripe-475, "Independent Internet Number Resources Contractual Relationship Changes between sponsoring LIR and End User"
This document describes the steps to be taken when there are changes in the contractual relationship between the End User of independent Internet number resources and the sponsoring Local Internet Registry (LIR). It also describes the scenarios in which the RIPE NCC may de-register independent Internet number resources and what happens to those resources once they are de-registered.
The new document is available at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-475.html
Kind regards,
Andrea Cima RIPE NCC
From the document:
The End User contact email addresses listed in the RIPE Database object are notified by the RIPE NCC [...] I'm not a lawyer, but from what I understand on the matter of unilateral contract termination, e-mail notifications are not legally binding by Dutch law. You need certified registered postal mail with proof of delivery. In the case of a network that seized to exist and the resources become void and invalid, e-mail correspondention with that network might not be possible anymore. When applying for resources, one has to submit company registration documents and the corresponding organisation object created at the RIPE database should contain the same data. This data should be sufficient to track down and send out notifications to the correct holder by postal mail. Please consult your legal department on this matter and update the procedures described at the document. With kind regards, Michiel Klaver IT Professional
Hi Mark and Michiel,
They could first try to receive a response by email. If they don't get that response (and a response that is not from a human person isn't good enough) they could send the papers by postal mail. This way they could try to reduce the costs for the contact.
It also depends on when the resources where given to the person/organization using it. Rules regarding emails and legal binding are changing.
I think this is more RIPE NCC operational related than address policy related. I don't think cross-posting between ncc-services and address-policy is useful for this discussion. Thanks, Sander Steffann APWG co-chair
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