Re: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 deployment
The point is that not all countries are the same when it comes to rules , some regulatory or government organizations may force ISPs in some area to stick with IPv4, as they simply don't have IPv6 ready LI platforms. I'm sure that there are some plans to deploy IPv6 in all countries soon or later it would be done (even Iran has a v6 road map), but telling others to go and deploy IPv6 (or it is not difficult to deploy) does not change the fact that there are more limitations out there. anyway, thanks for your thoughtful advises. Regards, Arash P.S even in Australia the biggest service provider (Telstra) is not providing IPv6 service to residential customers as of today, -----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 3:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: 'Alexander Koeppe' <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space Hi, On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:39:59AM +1000, Arash Naderpour wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Work with your regulator to *make* it possible - like the rest of the world has. It might take a while, but "not doing anything and complaining that IPv4 has run out" is not the right approach. (You *should* have started to work with your regulator 10+ years ago, it's not like this is coming as a surprise) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
But you have already been pointed at using, e. g., HE's BGP-enabled tunnel service. What's the problem with using it and deploying IPv6 on your own network? 13 июня 2016 г. 3:27:05 GMT+03:00, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> пишет:
The point is that not all countries are the same when it comes to rules , some regulatory or government organizations may force ISPs in some area to stick with IPv4, as they simply don't have IPv6 ready LI platforms.
I'm sure that there are some plans to deploy IPv6 in all countries soon or later it would be done (even Iran has a v6 road map), but telling others to go and deploy IPv6 (or it is not difficult to deploy) does not change the fact that there are more limitations out there.
anyway, thanks for your thoughtful advises.
Regards,
Arash
P.S even in Australia the biggest service provider (Telstra) is not providing IPv6 service to residential customers as of today,
-----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 3:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: 'Alexander Koeppe' <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
Hi,
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:39:59AM +1000, Arash Naderpour wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy
IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Work with your regulator to *make* it possible - like the rest of the world has. It might take a while, but "not doing anything and complaining that IPv4 has run out" is not the right approach.
(You *should* have started to work with your regulator 10+ years ago, it's not like this is coming as a surprise)
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Hi, I have IPv6 deployed in my network since 2009 (I’m not in Iran). The problem of using a 6to4 service in Iran to provide service to end-users is that there would be no censorship or control by the government (LI = Lawful interception) and doing that is a crime in some countries. Arash From: Sergey [mailto:gforgx@fotontel.ru] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 10:32 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com>; 'Gert Doering' <gert@space.net> Cc: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 deployment But you have already been pointed at using, e. g., HE's BGP-enabled tunnel service. What's the problem with using it and deploying IPv6 on your own network? 13 июня 2016 г. 3:27:05 GMT+03:00, Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > пишет: The point is that not all countries are the same when it comes to rules , some regulatory or government organizations may force ISPs in some area to stick with IPv4, as they simply don't have IPv6 ready LI platforms. I'm sure that there are some plans to deploy IPv6 in all countries soon or later it would be done (even Iran has a v6 road map), but telling others to go and deploy IPv6 (or it is not difficult to deploy) does not change the fact that there are more limitations out there. anyway, thanks for your thoughtful advises. Regards, Arash P.S even in Australia the biggest service provider (Telstra) is not providing IPv6 service to residential customers as of today, -----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 3:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com <mailto:arash_mpc@parsun.com> > Cc: 'Alexander Koeppe' <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com <mailto:Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com> >; address-policy-wg@ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space Hi, On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:39:59AM +1000, Arash Naderpour wrote: And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility. Work with your regulator to *make* it possible - like the rest of the world has. It might take a while, but "not doing anything and complaining that IPv4 has run out" is not the right approach. (You *should* have started to work with your regulator 10+ years ago, it's not like this is coming as a surprise) Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- Простите за краткость, создано в K-9 Mail.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016, at 02:31, Sergey wrote:
What's the problem with using it and deploying IPv6 on your own network?
My understanding is that his problem is "going to jail" if he does so.
I think we understand that, but we can help the government and regulator to deploy and even mandate IPv6 for public administration, etc. I’ve quite good experience on this in many countries. And that includes LI (Lawful Interception) support for that, of course. Saludos, Jordi -----Mensaje original----- De: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net> en nombre de Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Responder a: <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Fecha: domingo, 12 de junio de 2016, 19:27 Para: 'Gert Doering' <gert@space.net> CC: <address-policy-wg@ripe.net> Asunto: Re: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 deployment
The point is that not all countries are the same when it comes to rules , some regulatory or government organizations may force ISPs in some area to stick with IPv4, as they simply don't have IPv6 ready LI platforms.
I'm sure that there are some plans to deploy IPv6 in all countries soon or later it would be done (even Iran has a v6 road map), but telling others to go and deploy IPv6 (or it is not difficult to deploy) does not change the fact that there are more limitations out there.
anyway, thanks for your thoughtful advises.
Regards,
Arash
P.S even in Australia the biggest service provider (Telstra) is not providing IPv6 service to residential customers as of today,
-----Original Message----- From: Gert Doering [mailto:gert@space.net] Sent: Monday, 13 June 2016 3:42 AM To: Arash Naderpour <arash_mpc@parsun.com> Cc: 'Alexander Koeppe' <Alexander.Koeppe@merckgroup.com>; address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] ***CAUTION_Invalid_Signature*** Re: IPv4 reserved space
Hi,
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 12:39:59AM +1000, Arash Naderpour wrote:
And I don't understand why some people think that everyone can deploy IPv6, it is simply not available everywhere. It is not about difficulty, it is about possibility.
Work with your regulator to *make* it possible - like the rest of the world has. It might take a while, but "not doing anything and complaining that IPv4 has run out" is not the right approach.
(You *should* have started to work with your regulator 10+ years ago, it's not like this is coming as a surprise)
Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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