Hi,

On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 02:29:15PM +0000, Erik Bais wrote:
> As WG chairs we would like to see the position of the WG on the topic and what could be seen as a possible solution. 

As a member of the WG, I do share the sentiment that the intent of the
"IPv4 runout" policies have been "ensure that late comers to the game
can have a bit of IPv4 space, to number their IPv6 translators", and
not "grab some space for free, and sell it for more money elsewhere".

I do not think this can be fixed on the AGM level ("one legal entity
can only have one LIR account") - we've been there, in the rush to /22s,
and all it does it "make people hide behind shell companies", so in
the end, the address space goes out anyway, but registry quality suffers.

Trying to make the NCC require even more paperwork isn't going to stop
those that want to game the system, but will impact everyone else by
making the NCC more annoying to deal with.


My suggestion would be along the lines what was proposed on the APWG
meeting already - earmark these /24s as non-transferrable, ever.


Consequences:

 - there is no more financial incentive to "get one cheap, sell it expensive"

 - if you need space to run your business, this is exactly what it is
   there for - you can still sell your business (with the /24), you
   just need to keep the LIR account.  But that's as with other
   business assets.

 - if you want to merge multiple LIR accounts, all having their own
   /24 - then you need to keep around these accounts, or return some
   of the /24s.
    - corrolary: if you use these /24s to number your IPv6 translators,
      then renumbering this translator into "your other /24" is actually
      not very hard. 
    - corrolary2: If you use the /24s to directly number your customers,
      you missed the boat already (wearing my RIPE unicorn t-shirt today).

Gert Doering
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