Hi,

I think just handing out all or doing a lottery is a really bad idea.

I think the best way is simply to realize that there is no perfect or even particularly good way to deal with this and the current system is probably the best we can reasonably have.
The true solution will be more IPv6 implementation.

-Cynthia

On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 12:32 PM Sebastian-Wilhelm Graf <ripe-lists@sebastian-graf.at> wrote:
Hello!

After writing my previous reply to this conversation, i had a random 
thought. Maybe as an alternative to complex, overreaching and probably 
impossible to enforce policy,... we could go the opposite route.

- How many /24s can are still avalible for allocation?
- How many LIR accounts are there currently?

If there is avaliblity to cover it, we could just give every current LIR a /24
and instantly "remove" the "pool". Thus same chances for everyone and there 
is no more discussion.

Weird Other thought:
If we dont have enough /24's to cover, or we end with an uneven number 
remaining, we could do a lottery.


It all just leads to where we will get eventually anyhow.

Regards
Sebastian Graf

Gert Doering writes:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2021 at 11:38:48AM +0100, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-
> policy-wg wrote:
> > Yes, the people can try to cheat, but that's why the NCC verify documents, 
> etc., right?
>
> So, instead of opening a new LIR under "SpaceNet AG", I register a new
> UK umbrella company under the name of "My New LIR Ltd".
>
> This one would then apply for a new RIPE membership.
>
> How do you know it's "SpaceNet AG" trying to sneak in and get more space?
>
>
> I've said that before: we've been there before - the "restrict multiple
> LIR accounts" approach leads to "those people that are in for the easy
> monay and do not care for anything else" will just register new companies
> with a new name for every new LIR.  Nothing won, but database accuracy
> suffers, because you can't see the real owner anymore.
>
> Thus, having a checkbox on the application form might actually do more
> good - people will still cheat, but it won't harm the registry.
>
> Gert Doering
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