Hi Tore, Hi Elvis,

I opened the ticket and I can confirm Tore clarification on that.

Il 17/06/2016 08:09, Riccardo Gori ha scritto:

Hi,

Il 17/06/2016 07:41, Tore Anderson ha scritto:

* Elvis Daniel Velea <elvis@velea.eu>

Additionally, it would still apply retroactively and people which since 
2012 until 'yesterday' were allocated PA/transferable IPs (2 years after 
the moment of the allocation) will end up with an allocation that is no 
longer transferable.

Elvis, while there are valid arguments against this proposal, this is
not one of them.

If it was, then we could essentially just disband the AP-GW as pretty
much every single policy proposal ever made would "apply
retroactively". Including the ones that made various forms of transfers
possible in the first place; suddenly, many old non-transferable blocks
were "retroactively" changed to become transferable. 

Note that the RIPE NCC SSA says:

Article 6 – Compliance

6.1 The Member acknowledges applicability of, and adheres to, the RIPE
Policies and RIPE NCC procedural documents. The RIPE Policies and the
RIPE NCC procedural documents are publicly available from the RIPE NCC
Document Store. These documents, which may be revised and updated from
time to time, form an integral part of and apply fully to the RIPE NCC
Standard Service Agreement.

A member who believes that transferability is an immutable and
everlasting property of address space has not read what they've signed.

If this proposal truly "applied retroactively" with regards to
transfers, it would have had to annul all the transfers *made prior to
its adoption* and stated the previously transferred address space was
to be forcibly returned to its original holder or the NCC.

Alrticle 6:
This is the part of the agreement I like most 'cause confirms that community policies can change everything even on already allocated space.
Only as fantasy examples: forbid transfer, return space or annual fees per held IP .
I think the community alway choosed to go the esiest and fairier path.
Elvis policy extended the current 24 months restriction to all PA space held by members and fixed the loophole of newly allocated that avoided the restriction.
I consider it fair.

I do not like policy proposals that apply retroactively
Uhm, so what about your 2015-01 proposal then? That one "applied
retroactively" no less than this one.
I don't think 2015-01 apply retroactively.
I think allocation made before implementation of 2015-01 are free from limitations.
I'll open a ticket about it and check and let you know.

Confirmed Tore point.

Anyway. I withdraw my earlier objection to 2016-03. I'm not at all
convinced it's a good idea or worth the trouble, but if the community
really wants to go down this road I won't try to block the path.
Consider me neutral/abstaining.

Tore

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Riccardo

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