On Sun, Jun 12, 2016, at 23:22, David Conrad wrote:
Radu-Adrian,
On Jun 12, 2016, at 1:26 PM, Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN <ripe-wgs@radu-adrian.feurdean.net> wrote:
Unless you manage to bring in money by using IPv6 and *NOT* IPv4, it remains either a "submarine project" or an explicit NO-GO.
In most businesses, there are two (non-exclusive) ways to get traction on doing pretty much anything:
1) it generates more revenue. 2) it reduces costs.
David, For the moment neither of those applies to IPv6 deployments. Cost reductions only applies to a limited number of players (those for which a 25% reduction in v4 traffic does end up in cost reduction, which implies a certain size).
more revenue -- the vast majority of customers do not and should not care about something as esoteric as the particular bit layouts at an
At some point, some categories of customers will have to start caring about this if we want to move forward. Especially those that need "port redirections to access the 2-3 devices in their office".
one nice thing about markets is that they can provide explicit signals that help businesses decide. While there were free pools, the RIR system masked those signals, ironically making it harder for businesses to see
For the moment it's old big players that mask those signals : "$incumbent does provide us a /28 (or a /27). If you can't do the same, we will not buy the service from you". As long as this is only one random customer/prospect, you may be able to deal with it (let it stay with the incumbent or provide it the block needed). When you have lots of them, you have a problem. It's THEM that have to start caring about IPv6.
CGN are now a direct and obvious cost network service providers will need to account for and (likely) pass on to their customers.
When you go from ZERO to something (CGN-wise) you don't do any cost reduction.
migrating their internal infrastructure to IPv6 and selling a native IPv6/CGN'd IPv4 solution by default, having non-CGN'd IPv4 as an extra cost option (at least for new customers and increasingly,
As explained above, as of today no IPv4 = no business. I am willing to wait for the things to change, but in the meantime it's IPv6 that is under life support (that I have to provide alone).
old customers when their contracts renew).
Today, this is more painful for them than switching to another provider that does provide them with the needed IPv4 space. Those providers DO exist.
Now that most ISP network gear supports IPv6, the first part of that would make sense regardless of the regulatory environment.
This pretty much looks like "lab in production". usually it's not very well seen. -- Radu-Adrian FEURDEAN fr.ccs