If you ask me it should be allowed to use PI space for clients (and give clients the option to use/maintain more than a /30 (IPv4)). It is also in my opinion not to RIPE (community or the NCC) to ask that information. The should ask for general usage, how much would be used for clients for example. How many clients a company has shouldn't be important to get PI. Regards, Mark -----Original Message----- From: address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net [mailto:address-policy-wg-admin@ripe.net] On Behalf Of Jeroen Wunnink Sent: donderdag 16 juli 2009 14:46 To: McTim Cc: address-policy-wg@ripe.net Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Re: [ncc-services-wg] Complaint: Overly complicated when requesting PI space No it indeed isn't my call to make, which is why I opened a discussion here on the policy workgroup list. The current policy is in my opinion a bit too intrusive and time consuming, and I wanted to see if that opinion is shared by more people. And if the two IP's are a guideline, why did the hostmaster give me, i quote: If <insert our customer name here> customers are allowed to manage how more than 4 IP addresses are used on this network, then PI addressing space cannot be used. Please confirm that even after the customer's network has been expanded in the future, they will not be allowed to administrate more than a /30. And it's not my PI space/resource (that's not even possible as a LIR), It's been requested by us as a LIR on behalf of the customer on his name and own ORG object. McTim wrote:
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 6:00 AM, Jeroen Wunnink<jeroen@easyhosting.nl> wrote:
We have very good relations with our customers, but once I have to pull detailed growth and customer statistics from our customers, it gets kinda awkward. Because these really aren't any of my (or RIPE's for that matter) business.
I'm not sure that's your call to make.
I'm all for responsible allocation of resources, but it should
really stop at asking expected growth for IP space and how subnets are to be allocated.
I got pointed to the rule 'A customer cannot hold more then 2 IP addresses in the PI space', what's up with that ?
IIRC it's more of a guideline than a "rule" Rules are in the policy document where it says:
"PI space cannot be re-assigned or further assigned to other parties."
So if you are indeed assigning adresses to your customers, you need PA space. I'm sure that the competent professionals at the NCC have pointed you to http://ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-471.html#9 already.
This means that a customer with
three SSL webshops and three IP's isn't allowed host his server in that PI range ?
A customer is't "allowed" to do anything with your PI space. You are however allowed to use it to support your business. If I were you, I'd follow the advice of the NCC staff.
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