Hi, On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 03:29:54PM +0200, Thomas Drewermann wrote:
the Freifunk communities are not going to give /64 to end users. There will be one single IPv6 address leased to end users connecting to the wireless networks.
So what's the user to do with this single address, and his network behind his router? User IPv6 NAT/Masquerading? I strongly encourage you to re-think this approach. [..]
Since no Freifunk communities has the need for a /32 prefix that would be a waste of addresses.
The whole point of IPv6 is to have plenty of addresses - and as there are 4 billion /32s, using one to give your users at least a /64 is the *right* way to waste addresses. Do not encourage anyone to use NAT66.
@Sascha Luck: I think the policy should reflect that as it does for IPv4. Speaking in IPv4 this problem would not have occoured: "IP addresses used solely for the connection of an End User to a service provider (e.g. point-to-point links) are considered part of the service provider's infrastructure."
That problem has already been identified. (page 8) https://ripe69.ripe.net/presentations/72-APWG_RS_Feedback_Final.pdf
Yes, we're aware of that, but this is the old "a user only needs to have a single IP address, and can use NAT" world. Since we do not want to encourage this model for IPv6, nobody has ever brought forward a proposal to allow this approach for IPv6 PI. (Now, I have no good answer what the Freifunk community *should* do. I can understand that you're indeed set up quite differently than a traditional ISP - OTOH, you're not the only one who runs a network on a non-commercial basis and needs IPv6 addresses. So using PA space from a friendly ISP in the neighbourhood - like, a /40 or even a /32 - might be a workable solution... yes, renumbering will be nearly impossible, but right now the RIPE model doesn't really permit free rides "I want my own addreses, I want to run something that is similar to an ISP business, I want a slot in the global routing system, but I am not going to pay for it". We might want to change our member structure to accomodate non-commercial LIRs - but that's a topic for the AGM to decide...) Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279