On 8/4/13 09:48 , Tore Anderson wrote:
* David Farmer
I believe the primary definition of fairness the RIR communities have been using is, "only those that have *verified operational need* get Internet number resources".
Do you have a link or reference? (Tried Google, no hits.)
Try goal #1 in section #1 of RFC 2050. See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2050#section-1 And in slightly different words, try goal #1 in section #2 of RFC 2050-bis. See http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-housley-rfc2050bis-02#section-2
Furthermore, I believe that now that everyone's operational need can no longer be meet, a state of scarcity, that fairness is doubly important. How does verified operational need provide fairness in a state of scarcity? If someone without verified operational need were to receive Internet number resources, presumably through a transfer, and you have verifiable operational need that can no longer be meet; it would add insult to injury that someone without that verifiable operational need receives Internet number resources when you can't. Therefore, verifying operational need for transfers, still provides some minimal amount of fairness to those that are not going to receive Internet number resources.
Let me get this straight, are you saying here that our current goal of fairness in our current state of scarcity is to protect the *feelings* of the LIRs who return home from the second-hand market empty-handed? (Currently 96-97% of them.)
You always have to look at fairness from the perspective of those who don't get what they want. Fairness isn't usually an issue raised by those that get what they want. And, as I said I'm not saying operational need is perfect, in the current situation, but it is something and you are proposing to take even that little bit away without saying what replaces it. Personally, I'm not fundamentally opposed to operational need going away, especially the current overly bureaucratic way it is determined, if you can find something that replaces it that provides some sense of fairness that you seem to agree is necessary. -- ================================================ David Farmer Email: farmer@umn.edu Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 ================================================