On Oct 21, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Mark Scholten wrote:
Hello Max,
As long as it is Dutch Court I don't see a problem.
If you are against a decision RIPE did make you can go to Dutch Court and ask if they decide to change it.
No you can't...under the standard service agreement which you signed when you became a LIR you signed for the conflict arbitration procedure which is described in RIPE-174. To comment on the orginal complaint, seems to me you got bitten by RIPE-471, section 6.6: ==== 6.6 Validity of an Assignment All assignments are valid as long as the original criteria on which the assignment was based are still valid and the assignment is properly registered in the RIPE Database. If an assignment is made for a specific purpose and that purpose no longer exists, the assignment is no longer valid. If an assignment is based on information that turns out to be invalid, the assignment is no longer valid. For these reasons it is important that LIRs make sure that assignments approved by the RIPE NCC are properly registered in the database. The inetnum object or objects for approved assignments must use the netname(s) approved by the RIPE NCC and not be larger than the approved size. Additionally, the date in the first “changed:” attribute must not be earlier than the date of the approval message from the RIPE NCC. The RIPE NCC reviews assignments made by LIRs when evaluating requests for additional allocations (see 5.3). It also runs consistency checks as part of the auditing activity requested by the community as described in the RIPE document “RIPE NCC Audit Activity” found at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/audit.html ==== So as I understand the big question here is if the original criteria on which those assignments are made still are valid by changing registration data and administratively move them to another entity or country. I guess the only people who can answer that question are the NCC hostmasters, please keep in mind this is a RIPE community mailinglist and not the NCC who you are complaining to. Nobody on this mailinglist has access to supporting documents or when they do are bound by NDA so nobody on this list is capable of making sany sane judgement wether this complaint is justified or what the background is for sending the letter about reclaiming space in the first place. So please as a simple request, please take this to where it belongs and contact hostmaster@ripe about this or start a arbitration as described in 174: "Initiation of the Procedure In case of conflicts both parties should document their grievances and communicate them to the other party. They should then try to resolve the conflict between themselves. Only if such resolution has been tried and documented by at least one of the parties can the formal procedure start. The party initiating the procedure will select an arbiter from the pool and provide the arbiter with a written summary of their position in the conflict as well as documentation of their efforts to resolve it. The arbiter shall verify that sufficient attempts at direct resolution have been made. He shall then notify the other party that the resolution procedure has been initiated. The other party will then have two calendar weeks to either accept arbitration by this arbiter or to select one of their own from the pool. If they do not react within this time, the first arbiter can decide to proceed with the single arbiter procedure or to select another arbiter from the pool for the other party and proceed with the three arbiter procedure." Thank you MarcoH